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Im completely confused if I'm straight or not

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  1. John C89

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    Maybe you are bissexual then Carp! I dont know for sure, I remember I told a close friend of mine what was happening to me, and she told I was having this strong desire because it was new stuff for me. She told she don't believe I was really gay having in my teenage years strong desire for women. I mean, how could a gay with 11 just by seeing a women with tight clothes, feel arousal? Or by touching her breast? Or when more old having a girlfriend and felt arousal smelling her pussy aftersex? But Im posting all the details I can to understand why my desire disappeared
     
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    That happens to me ,I get urges and thats when I have to have relations with guys, It sounds like its stronger with you though, and I believe its because you never went that route.You may need to explore that side, it will help you figure out where your orientation is.
     
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    Hmmm maybe. But do you think I can recover my desire if I just stay as I'm now? I mean, I don't think I'm emotionally prepared for that. All I want is to recover my desire for women, and have a nice girlfriend
     
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    Its possible but then you need to find your trigger, something to bring you back to that place of passion and desire that has faded
     
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    Just waiting in a celibacy and maybe no masturbation, wouldn't help??
     
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    Another detail folks: I guess I never had a crush on a girl, or I can't remember falling deep in love for any women, although I had a girlfriend and many girlfriends with benefits, but I never felt that stomach sensation with butterfliers, nor the heart beating fast and strong. This account for me to be gay, or there are straight people that live a life and never feel like this, even in a good marriage?
     
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    See i still get those emotions with women and i dont feel they will go away. @ john

    I'm just wondering why im getting so aroused by the thought of being with a man. Maybe it was always there? Maybe i triggered it when i started watching tranny porn. At first i was like no , im not about this life. So i shut that down for a while but i found myself going back to watch and eventually i started watching gay porn. Then at that point i was like what the hell? Now just the thought of having a guy i feel very aroused. It maybe bc i never had that experience ? But these emotions are way too strong and i feel i may enjoy the experience.
     
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    Carpe Noctem... I don't know about your experience, I tried something today....I decided to test myself when walking and seeing somebody aesthetically attractive, and imagining sexual actions with them...surprisingly, I felt somewhat a desire both with men and women. It was more stronger with men, but I was still able to feel a degre of desire with women, especially remembering my previous sexual experiences with them... I mean, I noticed that if I don't look in a person sexually, both men or women, I don't feel turned on by nobody. The person really need to be dirty with me and very physical for me hve any desire...maybe Im gay with good desire for women, combined with low libido? What do you think?

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    I felt like...it was not towarded to a specific person...but imagining myself being touched by a women hand slowly, in a sensual way, would turn me excited, as well as if she danced with her ass pressing and touching my penis. If I was gay these thoughts with women would still turn me with sex desire?? What do you think?
     
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    John im no expert at none of this but i've always had a high libido. With my experience with women it depends on our attraction to each other and chemistry in the bedroom. In my life , only two women have been amazing. I always remember them.

    Just by imagining being with a young attractive guy, im aroused. So maybe you do have low libido. Or maybe you do need to give it a try with a guy like azreal suggested. Maybe you will get aroused more easily. Or you havent had the "one" awesome experience with a woman. Again im no expert!
     
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    Anybody else has more opinions?? Im feeling really lost :frowning2:
     
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    I feel that this isn't an issue of sexual orientation but more of a compromise on your identity. Your body isn't vague on its feelings, whether for women or for men. You know how it feels. However your mind has expectations, perhaps expectations that have been constructed and strongly ingrained in you over many years that went unchallenged. Visions of a heterosexual marriage, maybe.

    Think of it as a rebirthing experience. Try to embrace this part of you for the moment, it's the only way for you to discover if what you feel for men is truly genuine. Let go of the labels, the implications of "what they mean" or worries about your sexual orientation/identity. You don't have to experiment or do anything drastic. Just feel how you feel for the moment, you would have nothing to lose and only to gain. You say you are lost but by expressing these feelings you are on the right path to questioning and understanding yourself. I really wish you all the best.
     
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    Inky, thank you for your contribution. Well, actually I'm not prepared to go through this path.... I mean, deep inside I'm christian, so discovering more things like this would destroy me completely...although I'm still feeling more for men, and nothing for women, and this is killing me. It's like, every men I see my heart starts to beat faster, every men.... And I don't want it. This never happened before. I just want to feel lust for women back...in my teenage years was so easy......why this have changed??? :frowning2: :frowning2: What can I do? I'm trying to live my life, but I can't. Every moment I see a men I start to feel like this.... I see the most beautiful women, and this is causing nothing to me...... Sometimes I desire very strong to die soon and end with all of this
     
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    John,

    just take it day by day. Have u tried talking to a therapist? My family is catholic and if they ever find out I'm interested in guys, i think they will not claim me anymore. They definitely would harass the shit out of me. But im taking all these feelings day by day. Being able to express myself on here is priceless and when i go to bed i think and analyze things. Once you figure things out, theres life to live! I have had suicidal thoughts plenty of times and i still do but that's not the answer my friend!
     
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    It is possible to envision a future where your faith and your sexuality doesn't have to be at odds with each other. There are people in the LGBT community who shares your faith I am sure. In any case, any deity of good would never want you to harm yourself over something which you are naturally born with. I understand it may be hard to accept these truths about ourselves, but give yourself time and a chance. Please don't be too harsh on yourself. These feelings are natural and you've done nothing wrong.
     
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    Yeah, well, I'm only feeling arousal for guys..... What I want to know is...why I was a teenager that was always into women, and in the last two years, the attraction reduced, and now, this is happening? I want to know if it's sexuality fluidity or if I'm gay. What's going on?? :frowning2:
     
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    John, you may want to take a look at the work of Matthew Vines. He's a deeply devout Christian who has done extensive scholarly study of the Bible and come to different (and pretty irrefutable) conclusions that it does not, in fact, condemn gay men or gay relationships. HE's got a book, God and the Gay Christian, and a number of talks on Youtube.

    From reading over what you've described in the past few posts, I don't see a lot of indication you're straight. What seems more likely is that, over time, the same-sex feelings have become more conscious; you describe never really feeling the strong 'butterflies' for women, and feeling pretty strong attraction toward men that is emerging.

    Likely what's getting in the way here is... simply not wanting that to be the case, because of the Christian beliefs. That's an experience that affects quite a few people in your circumstance, so it's not even remotely unusual.

    I can't tell you for certain; only you can do that, and I think it will take some time to discern. But my sense is, you are likely not straight, and probably pretty far toward the gay end of the spectrum.
     
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    I remember reading some of his statements, but for some reason, I didn't feel the argumentation really strong actually :frowning2: And, also, about the attraction by women, I got many interest and spontaneous arousal, and the sex was great. If I was really gay in the end, how could I be able to have these experiences, in a natural way?? :frowning2: Also, despite all this, have had actually a strong desire for a women I knew in a club, and only in few minutes we started to kiss, and we have had great and good sex that night
     
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    OH MY GOD.
    You've scared me.
    Really. You're describing EXACTLY what I've felt during these 2 years.

    I remember I used to count how many guys or girls I judged sexual attractive when I was hanging out. Just because I wanted to understand if I was more straight or more gay. It's a silly thing, but I'm sure you can get my point.

    I always had crushes on guys and when I met/meet someone who showed/show a sort of an attraction toward me, I started/start to flirt as a consequence. Even though I didn't think I would have a relationship with him. I don't know why I act in this way with some guys, but believe me when I say I totally understand your point of view.

    During my adolescence I felt something toward two girls - the first one when I was 14 and the second one when I was 17 - but I didn't get those attractions at all. I wasn't used to think about gays or bisexuals people, also because I knew they exist... but somewhere, in an undefined place far from me. :grin: and I thought I was straight.

    I started fantasizing on having sex with one of them (actually even with two, three, four girls at the same time... LOL) later, but for me there's a big difference between what you think and what you actually do. I mean... I also like fantasize on orgies and on other stuffs, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'd enjoy them.

    Anyway...
    When I was 20 I had my first homosexual experience with the girl who is now my girlfriend, so now I identify my self as a bisexual woman because what I imagined ("How could it be having sex with a girl? I think it could be very interesting...") corrispond with what I had experience actually and I rather say it's even better because I am in love. And this is the weirdest thing to figure out, because I thought I would have never been able to love a girl.

    What I can tell you is trying to not overthink about this matter, because is useless.
    And I know at the beginning is almost impossible, but try to stop those thoughts when they start growing in your mind.
    And "stopping" it isn't a synonim of "hiding", because if this thing make you feel anxious and uncomfortable you have to understand it more.

    By the way, I'm curious to know a thing.
    For you... would it be a problem founding out you're bisexual/gay?
     
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    It's great that you found your path Inis :grin: Yes, I'm suffering with this, the desire for guys is stronger and for girls almost nothing....it's getting harder to feel anything. But answering the question:

    Yes, it would be. For a big variety of reasons......starting from the fact I can't see myself with a men never. I mean, everytime I think about a men and imagine something, actually I feel disgust and this kills the arousal. I don't like beard, I don't find the man's body aesthetycal at all and I don't like the idea of in the future staying with a man (neither a girly one nor the most neutral).
    Plus, there's religion in the middle....I have strong beliefs in God, heaven, etc. This is not something I'm going to give up, even if I end up miserable, for me it's better living a miserable life, and having the heaven after death.

    Third, because I don't even want to have a life without freedom as I see many friends in my original country having, dealing with many issues, hearing jokes, etc. I prefer to just stay in a way I can do anything withou have near any little concern

    There are other small reasons as well, but the problem is huge in knowing that I'm gay. I prefer to live in complete celibacy, and learn how to be happy by myself

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    Sorry if it sounded somewhat homophobic :frowning2: I just can't give up from my beliefs, they are part of me
     
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    I lived a period, which lasted almost 1 year, where I thought I was a true lesbian, because I didn't feel anything for guys in that moment. And then I had the confirmation that I'm not lesbian, but bisexual. Just to say life is complicated sometimes and it always changes the cards of your interior game.

    Back to your answer, now I can understand more your struggle and the reasons that inhibit you.
    I think the last two are the biggest ones, because you're talking about topics that have strong cultural roots and they're hard to remove. But the point is, would you like to eliminate them? Because in the last part of your message you said you prefer "to live in complete celibacy", so I guess the answer would be "No" again.

    So I want to ask you another thing, but I hope it doesn't sounds too rude... if it was so, I hope you would apologize me:
    If you are sure about the fact you won't neither have relationship with men nor give up your fear of hell because the religion has an important rule for you, why you're so worried?