LGBT News Artist Banned From the UK For Homophobic Lyrics

Wow thank god I'm not the only one who doesn't know who he is.

 

1.) I'm aware that the policy in the UK is different than US policy. I actually pointed that out a few times myself and I haven't argued about whether or not they 'can' do that because I don't know UK law well enough to.

I was more or less making a reasoning for why they 'Shouldn't'

Personally I'm not a big fan of anyone trying to silence an opinion. Any justification for it will be completely "Subjective" and as such it is vulnerable to being subjectively refocused into more dangerous territory. I don't live in the UK so ultimately I don't really care, I just pointed out why I think it's stupid and what message I think it sends to other nations.

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You haven't heard of him therefore he must not have any fans? Wow...someone's a little self-involved.

You're right he isn't Eminem ( though it's hypocritcal that Eminem is allowed in the country when they ban this guy since Eminem has made Actually homophobic lyrcs, but that's another argument entirely ). That doesn't mean he doesn't have fans. He goes on International tours and I've seen some of his concert footage he's at least at 10k crowds. I mean the shows are pretty huge and he's drawing in millions in revenue.

Oh nuuu America sucks ;_;

Wow I never would've known that without you having told me. I don't live here and experience it everyday. I'm not constantly making arguments about things we do way wrong and things we could be doing better.

Seriously though...

I'm only offering an outsiders perspective on it. I literally don't care what the UK does because I don't live there. Honestly, when I do hear about Uk politics it sounds more and more like a terrible country I'd stay clear of, but I mean that's just me.

I have to ask though...since you live there. I heard once they have a policy about publically asking any men who are assigned seats next to children to swap seats with female passengers even if it's their own child. Is that true? I've always been curious to know if that was true, or just bs.

 

Technically it probably could but it's not like Theresa May/the government don't consider the political fallout of their decisions so it's not like banning a high profile US politician is ever something that will happen

As I've said I think this is a terrible decision. The power is there to stop hate groups or people from entering such as WBC and Islamic hate preachers ie people who condone or promote hatred or violence against others or similar. It was never intended to be used against artists in this way and it's an abuse of power by Theresa May

Doesn't mean I don't agree that the UK should exercise this right in other cases though

 

There definitely needs to be consistency in application, that is what lets this whole decision down.

Whilst the lyrics in question where appalling, I don't really think Tyler poses as big a threat to society as other artists or individuals. The lyrics were from old songs he has since rejected and so it is unlikely he would be performing or preaching them.

And based on that ruling so many other artists technically would be banned, a few of the top of my head:
-The Who - Wrote a rather bad taste joke about child abuse/rape of a disabled boy called "Fiddle About" (incidentally one of the members was later found to have downloaded child porn)
-The brilliant band Foster the People who wrote a song about/from the perspective of a school shooter (Pumped Up Kicks)
-My Chemical Romance who did the same (Teenagers)
-Beyonce/Jay Z - involved in a song riffing off domestic violence (Drunk in Love)
-Rihanna - Produced two music videos glamorizing her killing someone (Bitch Better Have My Money and Man Down)

You see it is so difficult to draw the line. I think really we need to look at whether individuals are going to be genuinely preaching hatred and promoting violence before banning them, not just superficially looking at lyrical content.

Controversy alone should not be the deciding factor.

My thoughts exactly. Technically most American Republican politicians would be banned if we extended this ruling

And as they won't be it is unfair to single Tyler the Creator out, we can't have one rule for one and one for another, particularly when Tyler doesn't really seem to pose a massive risk.

 

Welcome to the point I was trying to make in the last "Free Speech" thread.

Where we create these rules for one purpose and some politician runs with them and starts using them for their own purposes without any regards to what they are actually intended for.


Adding to your point about Rhinna and all the others...Eminiem. Seriously, he wrote a song that the opening part is "My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge. Stab you in the head whether you're a fag or lez." <--- like that's straight up homophobic violence. How is he not also banned from the Uk?