What I think is that some people either read too much into her or are disgustingly reactionary. Pret said it well ^.~ I'm grateful for her giving us tranz peoplez some acknowledgement.
I think she is doing great and honestly the whole bashing her for being a republican thing that I saw on TV is ridiculous. Although I disagree with some of her views i think her being a advocate for transgender people and a republican at the same time is a good thing.
I just don't really care, to be honest. I mean, I'm glad for what she's doing, but I can't really bring myself to care too much. I never cared for anything the Kardashian family has ever done.
I was questioning my gender identity around the time she came out, and I was already thinking I was trans, but when she came out I just cried I was so happy. I do agree, her associations with the Kardashians is sketchy at best, and probably just publicity. Her support of the republicans is a whole other issue. In the end, she is great and one of my personal role models.
I like her. I just think the association with the Kardashians make people skeptical. I had my doubts when I first heard. But honestly I feel like if she wasn't apart of the Kardashian family, she wouldn't be getting that much attention even with the ESPY's nod. It's like she's damned if she was and damned if she wasn't a Kardashian.
I really started to question my gender around the time she transitioned. A fire burned burned inside me when I saw her as a woman for the first time. I don't like the Kardashians, but if it wasn't for her, it may have taken me longer to realize I wasn't cisgender. Thanks Cait. Now I gotta figure out what to do with my life. :eusa_doh:
Well i'm sure that Vanity Fair release might of counted if that's what you mean by the PR work, but i'm guessing maybe other medias just wanted to take the opportunity to be the first one to get her official coming out. I won't lie though, i see her Trans leader image lower because of her rich social status and what she's doing with it in general.
I don't think all of it was trying to diminish her achievements, even though I question those achievements, because technically those achievements were made.. when she was Bruce, but I think why people are upset & suspicious is because of the Kardashian association, & I've also heard rumors that, this whole transition & even her own show, was a way to get attention that was lacking, when Bruce was on "Keeping up with the Karadashians," but I don't know how factual that is, but please don't downplay injured vet's or sick children, yes Trans people are minorities.. but that doesn't mean that because one is a minority, that we should take advantage of a situation, not saying that Jenner doesn't deserve the award; they after all, did give it to her. But I think it should have been done in another platform, like maybe a GLAAD award or something like that, no disrespect to Jenner or trans people, but I didn't like the fact that the other nominees were pushed to the side, it's not just Jenner winning the award, but I felt like one of the nominees, a 19 year old girl Lauren Hill was sorta ignored.. she really accomplished a lot, fighting brain cancer & still playing college basketball.. while donating, I think it was 1 million or so more to her organization, for fighting the disease. I'll definitely have to read up more on that, but regardless of Jenner winning.. I felt like even with the win, It became all about her, that's just the vibe I got. I know trans people are in the shadows, but I still felt that this wasn't so much talking about Jenner's accomplishments as an athlete, but just mostly transitioning. & Not saying that's not courageous, but I didn't feel it was a fair platform to present that, but I don't blame Jenner for that.. I generally blame the media, not saying that Jenner & trans people shouldn't be heard, but I still felt that the other nominees struggles should've also been addressed in the same light as well, & I wished that Jenner would've given them some credit, or mentioned them in her speech.
I am by no means diminishing injured vets or sick children my family is entrenched with both my point stands that every time this award (and countless others) have been given out we could easily pin point many that would have or could have been viewed as more deserving.
I think it's unfortunate that the Caitlyn Jenner transition and the Rachel Dolezal affair happened at the same time. "If you can be transgender, you can be transracial". This was the mantra of the time. Too bad Caitlyn could not have predicted the future.
I don't know a whole lot about her to be honest. Like how she was on that magazine I had no idea it was her. I was just my usual lesbian self and was like 'damn, she's pretty. Older, but pretty'. So when I found out who it was I was like 'holy crap good for her!' Ya know? Cuz even though I'm not a Kardashian fan or know anything, I just think it's cool that there is someone so openly standing up for transgender kids
Annoying and annoyingly rich Just annoying Honestly I didn't like that whole media scandal thing that happened surrounding Bruce Jenner's transition. Not to be brash but do you know why she looks so good? Money. Lots of money to pay some very skilled surgeons and specialists.
Her name is Caitlin... This is just, you know, to remind the folks that trans people are real. And people.
Given her extremely public profile, I don't think it would have been at all cowardly for her to have made use of a PR firm, if she did at all. I think her example is important in showing that physical transition must be part of a medical programme available to all as a part of the public health system. The happiness and comfort in her identity that her transition has brought her should be accessible to everyone like her, with or without her wealth. And continuing to call her Bruce is absolutely disgusting, brash and unnecessary.
:eusa_clap :eusa_clap This person doesn't live under oppression. Just more meaningless celebrity drivel.
I feel sorry for her, honestly... She was finally able to come out and now the whole world is like "Oh~ you must be *the* authority on all things trans!" Like, she *just* came out and started being herself and people are like, "why doesn't she know everything there is to know about our struggle?" Of course she won't! She's in the 1% and while she'll be able to sympathize, she won't be able to empathize with those hardships... That's not a bad thing for her as a person, but to expect her to be the voice for a people when she just doesn't have the experience, seems like a remedy for disaster. In the second episode of her show, all the other girls were kind of ganging up on her and she was like, "I've been out for a week... not even my whole family has seen me as Caitlyn, but these other girls have been out for 10 or 15 years..." I think it's a lot of pressure and I wish she were able to chill and enjoy being herself before being shoved into the spotlight as a role model... Good luck, Caitlyn!
There is an unfortunate amount of selective thinking in this thread. People simultaneously want more trans people in the media, but turn up their noses if they are a hot topic in the tabloids. They want them to be able to dedicate their time and funds to furthering the trans movement by speaking on trans issues and donating to the cause, but they don't want them to care about making the money that would be required of them in order to do so. The list goes on. -Of course, Caitlin Jenner has organized the finest PR team in America because if she says the wrong things than millions of lives will be affected. -Of course, Caitlin Jenner is running errands in designer outfits and stilettos. Of course, she received additional surgery to fit perfectly into popular beauty standards. Of course, she works her angles for the paparazzi because those are the only things that are stopping her from becoming the laughing stock of America. The only thing that is stopping all of the fake allies that have popped up around the world from snatching away their respect the moment she fails to be glamorous and fit the mold. -Of course, she expects to be pain for the things that she does. Of course, she cares about her image. All advocacy consists of a series of PR moves. All public figures recognize the importance of amassing wealth in order to both remain respected in industry and have the freedom to dedicate those funds to the projects that they are passionate about. Everything is well thought out. Everything is calculated. If the celebrity, public figure, politician, etc, does not have the mind to juggle PR, wealth accumulation, and media strategy themselves then they hire people to do the thinking for them. Caitlin Jenner is not the best transgender activist that we have, but all of this foolishness about whether or not she thinks about money or notoriety is so tired. Many of our favorite public figures do a fabulous job of convincing people that nothing about their careers is calculated, but open your eyes and get real. This is how activist works. Capitalizing on notoriety; capitalizing on financial gain; and using those factors using those factors to drawn attention to the issues that they care about. So the socialite makes sure that they are always unrealistically stunning and tabloid ready; and the intellectual makes sure that they never fumble in interviews and they memorize their best quotes for their speaking gigs so that the general public is always left thinking how brilliant they are. You don't have to like the way that this world of ours works, but shaming Caitlin Jenner from fitting into the mold and playing the game is ridiculous.
Firstly, I missed that since I just skimmed through the thread. I wasn't applauding the misnaming. But he does have a point about class and this person's enormous wealth and entitlement issues. That's what I was applauding - it was the only comment in this thread that I agreed with. This person is rich, white, and republican and is going to make millions from transitioning. There's no courage to that - her life is the exact opposite of the average transsexual.
Caitlin Jenner has been worth over a hundred million dollars since before she come out. Since before she even became associated with the Kardashians. She lived in the public eye for decades during her youth, but she has made no effort to continue to be in the tabloids or jump at financial opportunities. The only time that we even heard about her in the last decade is when the Kardashians were in the tabloids or shooting their show and she happened to be in the room. So, exactly what evidence do you have to support the claim that she is being opportunistic? The average transgender individual also would not be able to make the waves in the general public that she is making either. Lets not act as though representation among celebrities is not extremely valuable for minorities.
