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Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equality?

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  1. EpicConfusion

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    Does anyone here not think same-sex partners should be allowed to marry? Do you know any LGBT people who think this? I'm assuming no one here will be opposed to it, but I'm curious to know for sure. If you do oppose it, why is that? Explain your thoughts.
     
    #1 EpicConfusion, Jul 12, 2015
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    The only ones I know of are the ones that grow up in extremely conservative, evangelical Christian households and are of the belief that homosexuality is "ok" provided you don't actually act on it.
     
    #2 Browncoat, Jul 12, 2015
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    I know a number of queer people who support the complete abolition of marriage.
     
    #3 Maddy, Jul 12, 2015
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    There are some liberationist queer people who either want to completely abolish marriage or do not want queer people to enter into marriage because it's assimilation into straight culture.

    There are also some conservative evangelical LGBTQ people who do not support marriage equality (only around 80% of gay Republicans support marriage equality in one poll).
     
    #4 BryanM, Jul 12, 2015
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    Yeah, that too. I see a fair bit of "don't become your oppressor!!!!1!" from the more radical elements.
     
    #5 Maddy, Jul 12, 2015
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    Usually the "kill all white cis men" types.
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    I'm one of those people who wants to see the abolition of marriage completely, in favor of a simple legal contract because it's been hijacked by the government and religious institutions, but that's not happening anytime soon so in the meantime I think it's great that LGBT people can marry their same-sex partners.
     
    #7 EpicConfusion, Jul 12, 2015
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    To answer your question, I think there should be marriage equality.

    Absolutely. :thumbsup: The thing that really bothers me is that the legally binding material called marriage instead of something like partnership. A simple label change would without question remove a lot of this controversy. And yes, I mean a label change for straight and gay marriage licenses to be renamed partnership license.
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    I mean, marriage doesn't jazz me, as it's not what I want for myself.

    However, I think it's important not to overlook that marriage equality has really helped some working class folks. If you want to be a "radical," but you can't see when a civil rights gain has actually economically helped people who are worse off, your radicalism is of no particular value.

    Until the great anarcho-syndicalist revolution happens (and sure, I'll hold out some hope for it), I'm not going to rub salt into the wounds of my sisters and brothers. (*hug*)

    ~ Adrienne
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    Just sayin', abolishing all types if marriages completely does actually create marriage equality, in a sense, as no one can get married. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    I agree with same sex marriage if he has a big bank account lol.
    Only kidding
    My friend is gay and he doesn't agree with it
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    Actually the point is that ANYONE can get married because it's a legal contract that any two people can enter into, and it's unrestricted by the government and by religion because it's not under their power to control.
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    To be honest, I'd be really confused if I met someone who was LGBT and didn't believe in marriage equality. It might come from me living in a more liberal area, though.

    My opinion on getting rid of marriage entirely is kind of a "no". If it was changed to a "partnership" like CodeForLife says, yay, but a marriage license is really nothing more than a sheet of paper that gives you certain legal rights and the ability to say "We're married" when referring to your spouse. I really don't see the big deal about what it's called, so long as people can do it regardless of their gender or sexual orientation without getting discriminated against.
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    I kind of have an issue with it.
    Not in the sense I disagree with it, but implications of it really.
    Like if a same sex couple want to go though ivf/ adopt ect.. Then your case of being granted to do so is a hell of a lot stronger if you are married.


    I don't disagree with marriage as a whole but would personally never do it. I know same sex couples who have had to get married to increase their adoption chances.
    That just annoys me. I want a family, but I don't want to be married.
    So I kind of think if same sex marriage was kept 'traditional' then that need wouldn't be as prominent. If you couldnt get married then your chances of having a family aren't affected by this stupid check box effect.

    But that's probably a selfish attitude because I ddont want to be married.
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    Yeah, but abolishing all types of marriage would make everyone the same in the sense that no one can get married, and would therefore would make every couple equal, and technically would achieve marriage equality.
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    Idgaf about marriage in general, honestly; it's very overrated.

    So long as we have it though, I'm obviously not against equality with it, as that's good, ...I just don't care.

    Please no...even in a hypothetical sense, I hate the term 'partner' personally. It's just...no.
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    I too await the revolution. :icon_wink
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    This used to be my opinion^

    However, my views of LGBT issues are under construction...

    I'm basically now of the belief that love is love, and that if you aren't harming anyone then you deserve the same rights as anyone else. Gender boundaries should not restrain a loving partnership.

    I think, as far as Christianity is concerned, these essays excellently sum up the two primary views dealing with gay relationships:

    Side A - Proposing that God blesses same-sex marriage.
    Side B - Proposing that God calls Christians (who are gay) to lifelong celibacy.
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    I know someone who is gay but doesn't agree with the whole gay rights movement and thinks we need to stop trying so hard to make straights accept us because not everyone will accept us . I told him if no one was fighting for gay rights then we would be in the same position we were in 30 years ago with having to be in the closet at work, home and everywhere else for fear of getting killed
     
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    Re: Are there any LGBT folks here who legitimately do not believe in marriage equalit

    I don't think people should be allowed to marry goats. Fucking weirdos. ;P
     
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