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Opinions on no such thing as Bi?

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by MissMonster, Jun 28, 2015.

  1. Kaiser

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    But what does Tumblr think?
     
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    There has been research done that verified bisexuality. You can look it up.

    Remember also, if you read a article like that, you shouldn't just take it at face value. You need to look at the study data yourself and check its validity. You need to consider such things as sample sizes, demographics, randomisation etc to make sure there is no bias or the results are skewed by a poor methodology.

    Happy days :slight_smile:
     
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    I'm too lazy to look up the actual papers for you, but here's a link discussing the debunking:
    Study Shows that Bisexual Men Exist, Bisexual People Not Surprised | Autostraddle


    The same person headed both studies, by the way.



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    Indeed, it is potentially a very different story with women. Those types of studies have overwhelmingly featured men though (in fact, it's a pretty steady trend across all queer-related research, unfortunately).
     
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    I'm sorry but liking men AND women? I just don't see any evidence this is real! :rolle:

    Seriously though, people just need to stop trying to push this "one or the other" mentality about everything. Sexuality is a deeply complicated personal thing and no one can tell anyone else what to feel. You love who you love, it's no one else's business.
     
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    I think it's normal to have an overall preference. Some of us can eat more pizza than cheeseburgers throughout the week, nah mean?

    I am bisexual, but I lean gay. I have experienced love with a woman before, I believe bisexuality exists, I just don't believe that it is realistic to think most people are equally sexually attracted to both man and female. I think people will have a preference most of the time.
     
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    Yeah but, one week I eat more pizza and the next I eat more cheeseburgers... it all balances out in the end. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    "physical sexual reactions"?

    You can't know what a person is feeling.
     
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    Exactly, I'm so tired of people constantly trying to say that you can't love two genders without tons of preference for the other, it's none of their business.
     
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    I think that's a horrifically designed study as described and I hope that it's not real. Porn preferences are not a determinant for actual sexual preference.
     
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    I wish you had given a citation for this study or an internet link. I would always prefer to read the source than to comment on someone's interpretation
     
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    If I recall, the men from the study were taken from ads seeking out gay men. Anyway, it's possible that more self-identified bisexuals lean gay, since it would benefit straight-leaning bisexuals to id as straight (and it's more common). It makes you wonder how a closeted, straight-identified man would have reacted. Erections alone aren't a fool proof indicator of sexual orientation, either.

    I sometimes think scientists are influenced by the accepted social politics around them. You don't see too many trying to prove bisexual exists, but the exact opposite: how men are either one or the other. Complex, fluid sexualities are for women: men must choose a side and stick with it.

    Also, having a preference doesn't make you automatically straight or gay. That's erasure to the extreme.
     
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    Erasure helps push people into clearly gay and lesbian identities, and this is obviously coming from the point of view of those doing that pushing.

    It's interesting that some of us don't get into the minds of those who could never fathom having sex with the opposite gender and take what they claim at face value. We just accept it. It would be nice if the others wouldn't try to get into bisexual people's heads and just take their claim at face value, even if they're transitioning or transitioned, like Elton John.

    Good post.
     
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    I just want to say that I think using Porn to determine a person's sexual orientation is the stupidest thing ever. I'm assuming they just put you in a room and play a randomly selected video in these experiments, expecting gay people will get aroused by gay porn, lesbians by lesbian porn and etc.. Well what if the video in question does nothing for the participant because the actors arent his type? I cant tell you how much gay porn I've come across that's utterly unappealing to me for a myriad of different reasons. On the flip side I can sometimes get aroused by straight porn because I think the act of sex itself is stimulating to an extent. Does this make me any less gay or more attracted to women? Nope. There's no accounting for the fine details of personal preference in porn experiments so I dont think their results prove anything about sexual preference or otherwise.
     
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    Yeah, considering I'm a furry, you would think that suggested that I was a zoophile. I am, although non-exclusively, but it doesn't have anything to do with my porn. Our prevalence, as a percentage of the population, is actually greater among non-furs, simply because a handful of us get all the fix we need off of the furry thing and don't require real animals. It's pretty pointless, for some of us, when we can get all that we need off of fantasy.

    As I suggested above, I have been with a litany of bisexual men. I have a preference for them. I find them to be absolute gentlemen, and some of them have actually had a slight preference for women. If they don't exist, then you'd best tell that to them because I seem to be a magnet for them. Gay guys, on the other hand, often won't give me the time of day.
     
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    I'm happy to hear this and of your positive perceptions. What I've seen, and I've seen a fair bit, is that the bisexual men I've known and been friends with tend to be more "average Joe" types than the gay men I've known and been friends with and, basically, that means less drama, which is something I prefer to avoid. Again, this is what I've observed and may not be true across the board. Your mileage may vary.
     
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    Just as irrelevant and wrong as "everyone is bi". I get why people say it, since many people do use bisexuality as a "stepping stone", but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People want the world to be simpler than it actually is.
     
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    My husband is bi & definitely likes both. As do many guys I know. There's such a broad spectrum. We're attracted to & interested in the genders in so many different ways. Sexual is just a small part of it. At least, for me. There's intellectual, emotional, romantic, spiritual, etc. Which their study is obviously not taking into account.
     
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    As crappy as the study design was, I'm not sure what else they could do but rely on self-report as usual - which is even more flawed.

    It would be interesting follow-up to study the proportion of heteroromantic to homoromantic bisexuals in the same experiment.

    If a sizable majority of bisexual men and women who appear to be aroused more by homosexual acts identify as heteroromantic and dress/act within gender norms, there may just be some support for the authors' ideas that there is an unwillingness on their part to "fully commit" so to speak.

    Many bisexuals, including myself, think that bisexuality is rarely 50/50. It is worth studying to see how many of those points one way or the other over 50 are artificial (repressed) vs natural preference.

    Nonetheless, even if it were proven that ALL bisexuals are deluding themselves to avoid going "full gay" (a fat chance at that), being capable of some sexual attraction toward the opposite sex should definitely count for something - at least not 100% gay.

    It will be very hard to study this in women though, as a few others here have noted. Physical arousal isn't always cleanly tied to perceived sexual arousal in women.
     
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    Well, to be fair.. I didnt agree with the conclusion of the study. And only thought it would be interesting to get the opinion of a forum full of bi, gay, lesbian, and straight people.

    So, I'm sorry if I upset you by not having all the data.. But its just meant to be a topic to chit chat about the results of their testing.
     
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    Complete and utter bullshit :lol: