General News George Soros to give 5 million to democrats

Actually, Soros is supporting greater voter registration, not the democrats. He's not doling out millions to buy politicians, he's actually trying to make your democracy better by fighting the tendency of some jurisdictions to make voting by the poor more difficult (requiring expensive IDs for example) in the name of protecting against "voter fraud", which is a non-existent problem.

 

Not to mention 5 million dollars is a far cry of the 1 billion the Koch brothers are offering. We all know they're going to donate the money regardless, they don't have a problem with money in politics. So are the Democrats suppose to just not raise money at all?

 

The Koch brothers has been notorious about running false ads about democrats especially ones with proven moderates records. I remember a moderate democrat in West Virginia when i lived there last year who was a 40 congressman with a proven moderate record in a deep red state and because of those false Koch attacks the people turned against him. It was
sad after he dedicated so many years to the state. Many moderates have been taken out of power because of the Koch brothers and it is republicans who haven doing voter suppression for years.

 

Of course all this focus on voter IDs rather ignores all the other stuff the right is pushing through everywhere they can such as eliminating early voting, absentee voting, weekend voting, reducing polling place hours, and moving polling places so that they are more difficult to get to by young people and the elderly who are less likely to have their own transportation.

Of course, if you want to talk about voter IDs, perhaps we should also include efforts (virtually all of them by the right) to restrict the kind of IDs that people can have.

Reference HERE.

Also a fun bit HERE that includes a legitimate reason why someone might not have a driver's license.

In terms of confirmed cases of voter fraud, the numbers seem awfully small for the amount of time and energy that the Republicans are putting into trying to save us from it. The Wall Street Journal (not known as a bastion of liberal thought) has an interesting bit on this HERE.

And another article HERE.

While it's certainly possible to make an argument that our voting system is so important, any amount of fraud is unacceptable, it's hard to see how all the efforts at restricting people from doing it (including those with legitimate ID already) fit into that narrative. Not to mention that nothing like that level of effort is put into doing things like producing reliable voting machines, providing more of them so people don't have to stand in line for hours, etc.

That's a cute quote. Of course, since you don't provide any kind of source or citation for it, making it very difficult, if not impossible, for anyone to make an informed judgement about its source or validity, it's also a functionally useless quote. But nice try anyway.

While the real fear behind all the sound and fury on the right to push forward these kinds of laws is based on demographic panic that might best be summed up as 'Oh no! The brown people are going to take over!!!:eek::eek::eek::tears::tears::tears:

See, I can do it too.

Todd

 

Voter fraud is not a real problem. The true intention of Voter ID laws is to keep the elderly, college students, and minorities from voting. [YOUTUBE]p_-Q8L4l788[/YOUTUBE]

Edit: I also forgot about what Pret Allez said. Many transgender people also face difficulties at the voting booth, especially if they live in a state that is conservative and won't let them use the gender they identify with on official documents.

 

I love voter ID laws, because transgender people shouldn't get to vote.

 

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I really don't like it when people donate such large sums of money to support either political party. The donors end up creating so much control over a candidate and it's a bit of a bribe as well. "If you vote against our interests, kiss our money goodbye" is basically the message being delivered.

I wish running for office was easier on the wallet so that more of the common people would run for office.

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Well, if those people are coming over here to work and pay taxes, then they should have a say in politics. That's a huge problem regarding our immigration system, but that's a whole other topic.

 

All you need to know about voter ID laws and who they try to prevent from voting is this:

In Texas, a concealed weapons permit is considered a valid ID for election purposes. A college student ID is not. Even the former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, Jim Wright, was turned away at the polls because his driver's license was expired. It's all about preventing minorities and the poor, most of whom aren't going to vote Republican, from voting.

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Oh, and by the way, if you want to talk about George Soros, fine. Consider the fact that the Koch Brothers alone, not even considering the other billionaires who make anonymous 12-figure donations, are going to spend $1.1 billion on the 2016 elections. There's only one billionaire who donates to Democrats, and that's Soros. The rest buy elections for their own self-interests, and that's why we need to get money out of politics.

 

Don't a lot of illegal immigrants not pay taxes? I know many work under the table to not expose themselves and certainly don't pay taxes on their income, so they pretty much leach off our public services. If you're not a citizen you shouldn't be able to vote.

 

So, they're not paying taxes cause that might expose them. So it makes perfect sense that they're voting in massive numbers. :roflmao:

 

While I may not agree with every voter registration law (for various reasons), as a Texan I feel it's unfair when people compare the fact that CCW licenses are permitted for election purposes while college ID's aren't. The thing is that (in Texas) concealed weapons permits require at least the same identity requirements as a state-issued ID/DL, so they are in turn as secure and verifiable as a state-issued document. College IDs are issued by various entities (private and public) and don't have the same standards as ones issued by government agencies.

One change I would really like to see and would actually not mind sending to my Texas congressman is the following:

Gee, might actually mail this suggestion :lol:.

 

You can take a student ID card to the airport and get through security (Done that before). You can't do that with a CPL. You can do a transaction at the bank with a student ID (done that before too) but you can't with a CPL.

 

I'm happy to see Soros is spending money to support the cause of decency. He's done a great deal of good though his charitable agencies, and not simply propped up the right wing, like the Koch brothers have, whose main interest is oil, those dirty tar-sands and their own fortunes, and not giving a shit about the environment, or the animals and people who suffer as a result. The Koch brother's sold their souls (if any) to the devil (metaphorically speaking) long ago.

I hope Soros spends even more; we need more people like him.

 

If we are going to require state issued Id cards to vote, then we need to have Id cards that are free and easily obtainable by all Americans. Anything else is effectively a poll tax that interferes with the constitutional right of every American citizen over the age of 18 the vote.

I like the idea of American democracy. We should really try it sometime.