General News Americans and Non-Americans alike, who do you want to see as President?

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  1. Bi in MD

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    The ACA is going to leave me without insurance if I were to lose what I have now.
    currently my employer contributes a good amount, my share is 300 a month, I have a 10 dollar co-pay for visits, 0 for specialists 0 for ER 10 for prescriptions unless its name brand then its 20. I have no out of pocket to meet before it kicks in. It includes Eye and Dental.
    I looked at what the ACA would cost to see how much it would save me.
    The cost would be 10,400 a year in premiums, 12,800 a year out of pocket, does not include Eye or Dental so I would have to pay for additional coverage elsewhere for that.
    the visits would be 25 co-pay, with a 25 prescription co-pay.
    now, can you please explain how that is affordable? seriously?
    Im currently paying 3,600 a year for my coverage (minus co-pays) under the ACA I would be paying 23,200 a year before the insurance kicked in. Cant see how that really works form me. The way I see it, I am being asked to cover other peoples share that they cant afford.
    Im getting burned out on paying for other people, I used to be very generous when it came to helping, but over the last decade or so it has become a burden as I watch my ability to provide for my family decrease. Honestly, I would be better off to quit my current job and take on something that paid in the 40k range instead. then maybe I would better understand these things.
    Its too close to tax time still for me to discuss these matters, when you pay out of your check more than what is the average income for the U.S citizen, and you still owe thousands more, its a fairly loud wake up call that something is wrong in the country.
     
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    Bernie Sanders
    When he's beat by Hilary! in the primary, I'm voting for her over anyone the GOP can run.
     
  3. Bi in MD

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    Without knowing who the GOP will run, that really is not the comment one would expect from an informed voter.
    so, basically it does not matter, as long as there is a D in front of the name, thats your choice. Lets say Hillary does not run but oh,, I dont know,, Ben Carson runs with a D in front of his name, You going to vote for him in front of anyone that the GOP puts up?
     
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    If anyone was informed on the candidates they wouldn't vote for Ben Carson regardless of what he puts in front of his name, I don't expect anyone on here to vote for him especially with how he feels about homosexuality.

    People can make an informed decision NOT to vote for a GOP candidate based on who is already put their hat in thus far
     
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    Bernie Sanders
     
  6. Bi in MD

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    What about Hillarys views on Homosexuals prior to her current views that she suddenly changed to.
    she claimed that Politicians changed views over time.. Is it not possible for Ben Carson to do the same?
    There are way more than just one issue at stake here, and if I vote for gay rights at the expense of border control, immigration control, ACA being fixed/repealed the budget being fixed, roads, jobs, education, welfare etc... then Im not being responsible.
    I need to look at the whole picture and decide who has the best chance of fixing the most issues, not fixing the one only issue I care most about.
     
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    Well said!

    ---------- Post added 17th May 2015 at 08:03 AM ----------

    It comes down to who you trust. Do you trust someone like Hilary who has already evolved on gay rights or do trust someone in office like Ben Carson who has not yet evolved on gay rights. Yeah you could say Obama evolved in office but I am biased when it comes to hoping a republican would evolve in office cause they never really do. Bush did nothing with immigration either and the borders and the economy were bad under bush and borders may be still be a problem but Obama has improved the economy and created jobs. There is more jobs created under Clinton and Obama than any other recent presidents. Look at a graph of it and it says its all.
     
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    Hilary has announced that she's running, so that's not really a question any more, if it ever really was. And she's clearly favored to win by just about any metric such that shes not going to have too much competition. But if she bows out for some crazy reason, I'd be more than happy with Bernie Sanders, who I noted as my preferred announced and likely democratic candidate.

    Of course I'm not going to just mindlessly pull the lever for anyone with a D next to their name, what a funny thing for you to say! I mean, I'm planning on voting for Bernie in the primary because of the policy differences he has with HRC. And since american political parties have become arranged on ideological lines over the last 30-40 years, I feel quite comfortable in saying I'm going to vote for the democrat, as their policy preferences, and the preferences of the coalition that brought that person to office, are going to be closest to mine among votes that matter.

    The political nominating process isn't magic. I'd say that the onus is on you to show me how it's possible that a ben Carson could come out of the Democratic primaries with sufficient delegates to win the nomination. I feel pretty safe in leaving an event with such a vanishingly low probability out of my analysis, but for the record: I'm not voting for Ben Carson no matter what party banner he runs under.
     
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    I just think we have had enough anti Americans in the white house for a while.
    the E-mail issue, the Benghazi issue, the comments like, what does it matter now? her position on gay marriage previous to her position once she decided to go for a higher office, the unexplained deaths while her husband was president, her being disbarred during Watergate, her desire and willingness to sidestep the constitution when it benefits her , these things don't cause a bit of concern with her character ?
     
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    I hate arguing back and forth over politics... I hope Ben Carson does run, it'll make it easier for Hilary to win.
     
  11. Bi in MD

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    Nothing to say about what I posted? makes you think about your choice now dosent it.
    And Im glad hillary is running, going to make it so the Patriots dont sit home and skip the election this time around.

    ---------- Post added 17th May 2015 at 12:38 PM ----------

    by the way, the only reason the left wouldnt vote for Ben Carson is because hes black.
    I hate racists.

    (Thats the reason the right didnt vote for obama right?)
     
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    What about Bush carelessly allowing thousands of Americans in a war to die when the war should of never happened. Most of those anti Hillary theories are not true and every politician republican and democrat has baggage to carry and Hillary is not worse than anybody else.
     
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    I think I'm going to need to hear more about how Barack Obama is "anti-american".
     
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    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    But he isn't running. Meh.

    [​IMG]

    :slight_smile:
     
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    Based on the confirmed candidates, I'm hoping you guys vote for Hillary - or any non-republican contender for that matter. I'm one of those people still holding out hope that Elizabeth Warren will run, though.
     
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    And I am one of those people who still wonders what is so great about Elizabeth Warren but in all fairness you probably say the same thing about HRC.
     
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    I do quite like Hillary, and certainly wouldn't be disappointed in the least if she were to get the nomination. With Warren though, I think that not only is she incredibly intelligent, articulate and has some great ideas, but that she genuinely cares. I'm not heavily invested in U.S. politics, but from what I've seen, she seems to be less motivated by ego and ambition, and moreso by doing good by ordinary people.

    To be honest though, once regressive, neanderthalic Republicans like Ted Cruz or Ben Carson are kept at an arms length from the Oval Office, the rest of the world will be pretty thankful.
     
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    Hilary is a liar with a long history of covering up misconduct. She would be a terrible mistake for this country.
    Elizabeth Warren would not be good, but in her defense she would be doing what she honestly thinks best for the people she was elected to serve. So there is that. I have no reason at this point to suggest she is dishonest in her actions. And as a bonus, she has not been a faithful rump ranger to obama and his failed policies and illegal executive orders, so, if I had to choose between Hillary and Elizabeth, Elizabeth would get my vote.
    Now as far as the rest of the world being thankful? I don't really care, as long as I am personally doing well under a president and I am not seeing my tax contributions wasted on foolish foreign aid or social programs or free give aways to illegals, then that's all that matters to me. I'm really not in it for the rest of the world, Im in it for the U.S of A. Sorry if that sounds selfish, but in reality its no more selfish than the rest of the world looking at the U.S as their piggy bank or their police force.
     
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    All politicians lie in all fairness but there is no proof whatsoever of bad misconduct by Hillary.
     
  20. El Extranjero

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    I didn't quite mean it in that sense. And while I get where you're coming from, I wouldn't consider contributions to Foreign Aid and Social welfare programs as a 'waste'. I also don't think what you're saying sounds selfish, not that there would be an issue if it did. As a tax paying citizen, your opinion counts just as much as those of everybody else, and we all have to look after our own self interests. However, there is a big, wide world outside of the U.S. and whether we like it or not here in Europe, America has an extraordinary level power and influence in many arenas. With that in mind, I personally would much rather see a democrat in office.