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Coming out:how to tell wife

Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by hanshotfirst, May 14, 2015.

  1. hanshotfirst

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    I'm a newbie to EC who has really related to many posts that I've already read to similar situations that I'm going through and glad to see so many people going through same thing. I'm not one that usually talks about my emotions or things I'm going through but this seems like a very open environment to start with.
    So here goes:I'm 46 yrs old, I've been married for 22 yrs now and have a 16 yr old son and a 19 yr old daughter in college(can't believe where the times gone by so fast!). I've had gay thoughts/fantasies for years but never had the balls to act on them besides constantly watching gay porn. I would consider myself bisexual since I am attracted to both men and women but have noticed myself checking out guys much more frequently lately. I only came out to a Lesbian friend at work back in March and she's been very helpful to a point but really need a guy's perspective about this whole situation as I don't even know one gay guy which makes things even harder as I'm petrified to come out to wife and then worried about how or where the hell I would even meet a guy, where I would stay, if we have to divorce/be separated.
    Just really wondering if anyone would share how they started that dreaded/welcome coming out conversation with their wife and how you apologized about hiding things for years. I keep thinking of what to say or how to start the conversation but keep backing down. We're going on a cruise at the end of this month so can't really do it until we return from that as I don't want our family trip to be ruined for everyone. I know it's a really private conversation that you've had but I'm looking for ideas or for things to avoid saying as I'm sure I'm going to rock wife's world. I'm looking forward to and also so dreading this conversation that will finally let me stop living this life of a big lie to myself and many others.
    Hope I wasn't rambling too much but really want to hear your thoughts!!!!
     
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    Hi, welcome to EC. First let me say congratulations on deciding to take the step. I waited until things deteriorated and compounded the hurt. Ask yourself how well you know your wife. Then put yourself in her shoes - how well does she know you? And love you? It may 'rock her world', as you say, and her belief in herself and everything she holds dear so it will take time for her to understand on an emotional level and on an intellect level. You are beginning a lengthy process that will work if you are open and honest.
    Best wishes
     
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    For many women, adjusting to the fact that their husband is attracted to men has a long learning curve. You've been married for 22 years and you're only now reaching this point. Your wife probably won't take the same amount of time to adjust, but her emotions, especially at first, are likely to bounce all over the place. I'd suggest that you set your expectations accordingly. She will have an initial reaction but that's only the first of many. Accepting a bi or gay husband is a process, not an event.

    One question your wife will have is, "Why now?" She will want to know if you have already made decisions about your future and your marriage together. Whether have or not, you should be very clear about your thoughts. What you say about the future will guide her thinking, perhaps more than anything else.

    One of the best pieces of advice I've ever heard is to work with a knowledgeable couple's therapist before coming out. A great many wives are unwilling to seek support post-disclosure and this can be very damaging for them in the long-run. If the wife is already seeing a couple's therapist she is much more likely to continue and therefore much more likely to heal faster and more completely.

    Another thing that's important to know is that what angers most wives are lies and cheating. An ideal coming out is one where you can honestly say you've never cheated AND that you're coming out to her very soon after coming out to yourself.

    Finally - and this may not apply to your marriage - it is often the case that marital sex is sporadic, robotic or nonexistent prior to coming out. Wives in that situation very much tend to blame themselves. They're too fat, not sexy, not worthy of their husband's attention, etc. They can beat themselves up about this for many, many years. Then, when they learn their husband is attracted to men, they get very angry. Why? Because they're pissed off that they've been miserable and self-hating to the point where they have no self-esteem left. When they realize the truth, their years of self-angst suddenly shift from their shoulders to their husband's, and the consequences of that pent-up hurt can be very, very ugly.

    To avoid this scenario, I suggest coming out backwards. By that I mean, instead of dropping a bomb and saying (in essence), "I'm attracted to men and not to you," you begin the coming out conversation by talking about the lack of intimacy in the marriage. "I've been thinking about this for a while, and I've recently realized that our sex life isn't what it should be BECAUSE OF ME. It's taken me a long time to accept this, but I now understand that I don't have the natural, inherent capacity to create satisfying sexual intimacy for both of us. I probably can't imagine how much that has affected you, but I want you to know that I'm now aware of it and I'm sorry for my weakness."

    By beginning with empathy for your wife, she will almost certainly mirror that same reaction to you once she understands what you're trying to say. The cooperative tone you set creates a precedence that is almost certain to carry through as your conversations develop. Most men drop a bomb and wait for their wife to react - largely because they're so panicked already. But doing so puts a huge burden on the wife, and in many ways, encourages her to react negatively. No one likes having a load of shit dumped on them. A better alternative is to acknowledge your role in creating the shit, honestly apologize for it, and then ask how you can work together to develop a mutually-satisfying plan to clean it up.
     
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    This is beautiful.
     
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    I am certainly no expert, but I am fresh out of the gate as I came out 4 weeks ago last Sunday to my wife of 23 years - same setup - two kids (15 and 19) girls, one at university. How it happens is different for everyone and I think that all the planning and rehearsal you do in the mirror before the conversation does help - because you need to get your thoughts around what you are about to do -- but when you actually do it the way you planned it and how it happens may be different. It was for me.
    I actually framed my conversation around a message that we had been hearing for a few weeks at church - about internal conflicts that cause external consequences - shame, lies, and trust issues. Coming out hits on all three of these areas. So I started the conversation around this topic - and then dropped the bomb about something about me that brings me great shame and well - "I am gay". HOLY SH*T!
    The reaction will be different for every wife - my wife was literally in shock for like 3 minutes (felt like an hour) she just sat and said nothing while she stared at me and I blabbered about who knows what ...
    I would say that you need to have a plan in place in case she tells you to get out. I had spoken to a friend who is gay and he told me I could stay at his place - I had a key, gate code, etc. I had my work backpack ready to go, $50 in cash and that's all. Luckily, she didn't kick me out.
    I would say you need to have the conversation when you have at least 3 hours of uninterrupted time. My youngest was at a study group for 4 hours. Also be prepared to put on a happy face when the kids get home - my daughter walked into the house and within 5 minutes knew something was up - looked at my wife and asked ' what is wrong Mom?' I was standing there and changed the subject - you got to be ready to cover up until you are ready to tell the kids.
    The first week was a brute. I can't tell you how many times we cried- how silent we were, how much we hugged, talked about life, what happens next, WHY I waited so long, etc. It was gut wrenching... and although I haven't cried in 2 weeks, I broke down tonight walking the dogs. My point is - be prepared for the mental drain on both of you.
    What helped me the most was I actually typed out a document in chronological order from my teenage years to now - that helped me get my head around how long I knew I was gay, how I love my wife and family, and where I am today.
    I'm gearing up for the kids in a few weeks...
    Best of luck - and most importantly - don't be shy on this forum - ask questions - there is a lot of good advice out here from guys and gals who have been here already. BUT - at the end of the day, you know your situation - you know your wife - you know your family.. so it's a personal call.
     
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    My situation was different all though I was married 22 years with a17 year old and a20 year old. It was different because when my wife and I meet almost 30 years I was out and living as gay man in New York. Then we came close,really close and I discovered some hidden heterosexuality and we married. We had an ok but not passionate sex life that was slowing down. I was losing interest. Then my wife kept asking me for about 2 years why. Did I think I was really gay??? I lied and evaded for a long while until I caved and said "yes, I'm gay."
    Then after about a year she asked me to leave and I didn't fight her. The crazy part is that I know my wife partially wanted to be with me because she had terrible experiences with men, including being sexually abused as a child. She felt safe with me and I think was glad to have a more laid back sex life. But, she seems to have forgotten that I was gay when we met. It's like she never heard it before. The mind is a strange thing.
    Let me just add that since telling your wife will likely mean a separation, talk to a lawyer and know your rights. She cannot, I repeat, she cannot throw you out. You can agree to leave with a clear written separation agreement. It's awful how many gay men end up leaving their children and have to then be at an undeserved disadvantage in maintaining a relationship.
     
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    Doc-thanks so much for the congrats! I know my wife pretty well and that's what worries me in the back of my mind. She has bouts with depression and just breaks down crying during these times so I can't imagine what this will do to her, which is what makes me even more nervous about coming out to her. She's also usually the one that gossips to everyone, which also gets me worried. As for the part of how well she knows me I don't know how that will come across since I've been hiding this huge secret from her and everyone and she's going to end up saying she doesn't know me at all. Thanks for everything
     
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    CameronBayArea-Thank you for your very thorough, constructive feedback. This sounded like a professional getting back to me which was very helpful. I loved San Francisco when I visited there a long time ago with my parents, hope it's still a beautiful area!
    I know this will all be a long, grueling process for both of us. I'm not sure about the future for both of us or where it all will lead.
    I'm not really the type for using any therapy. I usually feel like people are weak that use it even though I know that's not true deep down inside and it can help people. It's even weirder because my wife already sees one for bouts of depression(which I'm sure this will make worse) and my daughter is going to college to be a psychologist.
    There definitely wasn't any cheating on her ever-even though I would have loved to try if I even knew one gay guy at all but ultimately would not want to because of breaking our vows.
    And on your final thoughts our marital sex has been sporadic/none existent for awhile now. I love your suggestion of coming out backwards and trying to create an environment of empathy. I'm sure I will be doing tons of apologizing during this whole process. I just want to thank you for taking the time to answer me back, it was very helpful!!!
     
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    Headshaver-I was really interested in your posts about coming out to your wife, even posted a few times on that thread. I tried to PM you but it wouldn't go through and I don't know how long I have to wait for that to happen. All of your posts in that thread were really touching as our situations and even family are so similar and many of them even brought me to tears.
    I'm worried about having to make a contingency plan even though I know I definitely need to as I think she is going to want to try to kick me out or at the very most make it uncomfortable to stay, which deep down I would understand from her perspective. But there is no way I want to abandon or even miss one thing that goes on with my children who mean the world to me.
    I've always been looking for the right time to start the conversation(as if there actually is a right time) when no one is around like if my son would sleep over a buddies house and daughter was away at college(she's coming home this Sunday night but leaves for short 6 week semester away in Ireland towards end of June). I think it will have to be on a weekend when she's not working but then run into problem that I work every other weekend which makes for even less time to talk. This all sucks as I'm writing this out!!!!
    I'm trying to prepare for the mental drain that will come on both of us-it's already eating me alive thinking about what to do or say and having to wait until our cruise is over in about three weeks. The internal strife is killing me!
    I want to thank you for your thoughts and want to wish you the best of luck when you finally get to tell your girls. I hope it all goes well, keep me updated
     
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    Based on my experience, whether you try and sugar coat it, put a spin on it or go about it directly, your wife will react all the same. She will need to go through her healing process however she needs to progress through it. What I would advise is for you to be as supportive as you can during her healing process while still being true to yourself.

    And rest assured, just as you think you see the light at the end of the tunnel, a sharp curve or bottomless drop will seem to come out of nowhere and take you for a ride. Good luck!
     
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    Arturoenrico-thanks for the post back. I see we have similar family lives and I'm sorry to hear that your wife asked you to leave but I was glad to read when you said my wife can't kick me out even though that would probably be easier than staying and dealing with all the dreaded tears likely to come, which is what I'm planning for. I NEVER want to leave my kids or be away from them at all.
    How long were you out before meeting your wife? Did she not know at all that you were gay before?

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    OntheHighway-Thanks for the post, I've read a couple of yours and can relate.
    I know or at least expect the reaction to be bad from my wife and I won't be able to blame her, just myself for hiding this so long-feel like such a shithead!
    I will want to be as supportive as I can through the healing process(whenever I work up the nerve) and I just hope she'll realize part of the hell I've been going through personally for years and especially more so now that I'm really contemplating finally coming out. So not looking forward to any of this!
     
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    What would your ideal situation be? Is your marriage (besides this) stable, happy, and fulfilling? It might help to think through a best/worst case scenario to have some idea what to say if she asks what you want/why you are telling her.
     
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    bi2me-I really don't think there will be an ideal situation. My marriage is pretty stable but I'm definitely not feeling as happy and fulfilled anymore while doing all this thinking about finally coming out and being honest. I do have to think more about a best/worst case scenario.
    If you don't mind me asking, how did you start the conversation with your husband? How did it all go? Would be interested in hearing a woman's experience about the whole coming out talk