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Everyone is bisexual?

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by xxaquaxx, Mar 31, 2015.

  1. Fallingdown7

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    For once, we completely agree on all accounts. Seriously, I wish I could hug you for this response.

    I understand that some gay people are shitty and tell bi people they have to pick a side or "eww hetero germs" or whatever. But we can't turn around and show elitist behavior back.

    And this behavior is definitely bi-elitism. A lot of bi people complain about monosexism, but then show their "multisexist" behavior, and that isn't okay.

    As you said Loosemoose, this causes more biphobia. It causes gay people to hate and despise bisexuals. Why? Because It's no different than a straight person being homophobic and forcing people to marry the opposite sex only. Bisexuals don't get a "free homophobe" card just for being part of the community.

    Besides, the everyone is fluid argument makes no sense, and is only directed at gender. Do all bisexuals love feminine men and butch women? Would you all date a fat guy? How about balding guy? Guy with scars all over his face? Women of all races, heights, body types, voices, accents, etc. Flat-chested women? Men with micro penises? Are you all interested in trying BDSM, blood play, urine play, rimjobs, foursomes?

    Before bi people suggest that monosexuals must be open to both genders, I need proof that all bi people enjoy sleeping with every person on the planet and engaging in every sex act ever made. If you won't, then maybe you can understand why gender is dealbreaker to others.
     
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    Please reference the scadzillion other threads (both in ChitChat and in the Sexuality forum) on this topic.

    Once more I say no, not everyone is, and I'm always appalled that this question gets asked, given how much trouble gay men and women have coming to terms with the fact that they are not attracted to the opposite sex. To ask this question is to posit that they are (a) insincere about this; or (b) confused and don't understand their own attractions (because many of them tried *really* hard for a significant amount of time to be into the opposite sex).

    Naturally, gay people get just as offended at this topic as bisexual people do at the hypothesis that bisexuality doesn't exist at all. Both are ridiculous positions that fly in the face of the lived experience of many people.
     
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    Noooo. And I agree that it's a narrow minded question, and bigoted at that. It invalidates a large portion of the population.

    Like was said multiple times, it's the same as saying bi and pansexuals do not exist, because they haven't chosen a side. And is just as offensive and ridiculous.
     
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    Urm...No, ma'am. I like my men male, and my women... well, not at all.
     
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    Hmm. Too many knee-jerk reactions in this thread for my taste. The truth is that not one of us truly understands the full nature of human sexuality. When we say that a person is sexually attracted to men and not women, what does this mean? Well, male vs female is a matter of XY vs XX chromosomes. But, we don't see a person's chromosomes when we look at them, we see male and female features. For men, this means narrower hips, facial hair, more muscular frame, deeper voice, adam's apple, along with male genitalia. For women this means wider hips, curvier frame, breasts, smaller jaw, and softer facial features, along with female genitalia.

    Monosexuality means that most people are attracted to one set of features over the other. But there's a problem. Men can have feminine features and women can have masculine features. There's such a wide variety of male and female appearances that you could even say that a person's physical appearance falls on its own sexual spectrum, where one end of the spectrum is completely masculine in appearance and the other end of the spectrum is completely feminine in appearance. At the center of the spectrum is intersex, which is more of a collective term describing people who, for a variety of reasons, have ambiguous sex.

    So, if sex itself is a spectrum, then there are no clear dividing lines between male, intersex, and female. Likewise, there are no clear dividing lines between gay, bi and straight. And I would argue that the idea of 100% gay or 100% straight is actually meaningless, because a person cannot, for example, draw a box around all the sexual traits he is attracted to and then claim that those traits are exclusively 100% masculine traits or exclusively 100% feminine traits.
     
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    I don't think everyone is bi. I'm sick of this myth being thrown around. This belief makes people more homophobic towards me. It basically makes people push me to date men.
     
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    But people aren't just attracted to traits, though.

    If you're a gay guy and you're not attracted to only masculine traits, that doesn't make you bisexual. You may only be attracted to those feminine traits in men. So "100% gay" people can like traits that are associated with the opposite sex but only if they are present in the same sex.
     
  9. Fallingdown7

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    While I get where you're coming from, I don't agree that monosexuals are attracted solely to 'feminine/masculine' traits. I like feminine women, but I can still be attracted to butch girls. Why? She still has a vagina (and presents herself as a woman). I am still very unattracted to feminine men. Why? He has a penis.

    I can still be very attracted to intersex people as well. Why? I can't see her XY gene, but I can see her vulva, her curves, her female voice, etc.

    I believe this is how most monosexuals feel. Sure, guys can be very feminine acting, but sex with them isn't going to be the same thing.
     
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    If you are referring to the theories and studies in recent years which explore the idea of sexuality being determined by genes being 'turned off or on' to affect the brain, even the researchers postulating this question accept that it is not a function that could be altered AT WILL, that is to say, a person has no control over it. The genes would be turned off or on to affect the brain either from birth or by specific unknown factors. In any event there is currently no concrete proof that genes are responsible for orientation.

    The definition of bisexual is somebody who is truly and instinctively attracted to both genders, not through circumstance, coercion, denial, confusion, or any numbers of things that might cause someone to stray outside of their default monosexuality.

    To take the example you give of straight people who go to prison and "have a love life there too"; such an interaction occurs out of circumstance when there are no opposite sex partners available. A straight person who is released from prison will go back to the opposite sex (assuming they are truly straight rather than bisexual/gay all along but just didn't realise/accept it before the experience) because this is their instinctive attraction.

    A similar situation can be seen in gay individuals who try to force themselves into straight relationships for various reasons. A person can be married to someone of the opposite sex for many years but still come out as gay, they are not bisexual simply because they managed to 'make do' with this situation, their true attraction remains with the same sex and no amount of sexual experience with the opposite sex will turn a gay person bisexual (or straight for that matter).

    There is a range of different forms of attraction certainly. For example you say being attracted to one feels different than being attracted to the other for you, and a lot of bisexuals have similar experience. It also depends on the definition of what one considers male or female (or indeed non-binary), which can be a complex question. But as far as the definition of bisexual goes; to have an instinctive attraction to BOTH, no not everybody can be that.
     
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    Quite a few of the people I've mentioned my bisexuality to have had the "oh, everyone is a little" response. And I don't know how to feel about it.

    On one hand, it feels awful to have my sexuality invalidated like that. On the other, I'm just glad people have been so accepting of my sexuality, barely batting an eyelid once I've told them.

    I think for the most part this question is problematic. While I do believe any monosexual has the potential to be attracted to someone of the gender they are not typically attracted to (an 'exception', you could say), many won't ever experience it. And it doesn't make everyone bisexual imo. You're only bisexual if you choose that label for yourself.
     
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    Not everyone is bisexual , don't be as ignorant as gay people who say bisexuals don't know their gay yet .
    This mess sounds homophobic I know you didn't mean it that way but it sounds very homophobic
     
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    When you look at the Kinsey scale, only a very small percentage of the population is a 0 or 6. Almost everyone lies somewhere in between. Now, I don't consider Kinsey 1's or 5's to be bisexuals, so I would say that most people are not bi. I'm not attracted to women, but I do get curious at times. Though, I don't get curious enough to be sexually aroused by women. So to answer the question on whether or not everyone is bisexual, I say hell no!
     
  14. ToneDef

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    I understand the theory behind it, but there are people who do not like anyone of the same gender. There are straight people. They travel in one direction. Why can't there be gay people who do the same? Opposite sides of the same coin. I guess you could label most of the lgbtq community as "bisexual", if you're trying to put a label on it and throw it in your filing cabinet.

    I think this question is silly and labels are for boxes. Be who you are and love who you want. :love: People can label themselves. They don't need help.
     
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    While I'm bisexual myself I don't think that everyone is. Like many before me said, this invalidates monosexuality and there are people with 0% attraction towards the other or the same gender.
    That's all I have to say about this.
     
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    It's funny how that works: most people fall somewhere between the two extremes, but are only given the option of choosing one team or the other.

    I'd also say you don't have to be bisexual to be able to become aroused or feel occasional attraction to opposite sex members, since at least one "Kinsey 6" has admitted to doing so.
     
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    complete & utter bollocks.
     
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    I'm a Kinsey 6 so apparently not.
     
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    Why do I imagine the the lego people from the Lego Movie singing, "Everyone's bisexual" :icon_redf:icon_redf:icon_redf:icon_redf
     
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    These people sound like 5 than 6 . Unless their talking about noticing the opposite sex looks nice, like admiring a painting.