Also I'll add to tv as well on lesbians let's not forget, that the popular lesbian show recently was about two girls faking being lesbian and one turned out to be lesbian ,but the friend who was faking was using her lesbian friend to get a guy. Wow that's a great show for lesbians. Also gay couples are portrayed as loving and caring , what do lesbians get oh we're s bunch of sluts and cheaters, oh and let's not forget the random lesbian sleeping with a straight guy in the show for no reason that makes no sense, but let's throw that in the show for fun.
Lesbians don't get much love on tv, that's for sure. Could be worse though, at least there are some occasionally. Bisexuals are only just now starting to crop up in tv shows, and they're still too chickenshit to use the word yet. Still playing very coy with labels on Orange is the New Black, and House of Cards. Anyway... I would not say the movement's been hijacked by gays. It's been hijacked by heterosexuals who've commercialized and trivialized it and reinforced stereotypes at every opportunity when portraying it. Who do you think portrays all the queer men as flaming as a flamingo float in the macy day parade, and who makes all the queer women 'bisexuals' who mostly just flaunt their same sex attractions for the sex appeal among the straight male demographic? Here's a hint: it's not necessarily other queers doing that. I could complain about the state of queer fiction as well, but it's a niche category anyway, and it never interested me much.
"Lesbian sex turns me on." "If you're a lesbian, it's okay to be gay because it's hot." "Lesbians are aren't really lesbian because men need to protect women." Misogyny. Gay/Lesbian women are sexualized so much it's disgusting, and the fact that people even make the "women need men to protect them" argument is ridiculous and laughable. Of course, homophobia also plays a part. It always does. But misogyny is also plays a big part in discrimination against gay/lesbian women, and it's extremely disheartening.
Are you fucking serious? Lesbian sex being 'hot' is NOT acceptance, It's fetishization. Lesbians are not accepted by the straight community; they're seen as sex objects. Straight men think they're entitled to us and we still face corrective rape even in developed countries like the US. Straight women think our sexuality is a game or an experiment for THEM, and again we get hurt by them and sexually harassed/abused by them. Gay sex is also more acknowledged; if two men have sex It's seen as sex or a sexual milestone, if two lesbians have sex It's "not real sex" or "They were just doing it to play around/It's non-serious/all women need a good dicking!!!" If a gay man has sex with a woman, people can acknowledge he was just closeted, but if a lesbian has sex with a man, It's "I knew she liked dick, she's such a liar!" Now gay men do have it worse than lesbians in a lot of ways, but to say we're more accepted is FALSE. Gay men still have male privilege, while lesbians face both homophobia AND misogyny. Lesbians in the media don't even have real representation, most of the time they're treated as eye candy/sex objects for straight men, to which the right man comes along to 'cure' them eventually. It's not easier to be any kind of LGBT person. While I recognize that gay men do have a lot more to go through, being seen as 'hot' is not an easier life; It's actually more terrifying to be sexualized by straight men and being at high risk of being harassed and raped by them, especially when your female partner isn't even strong enough to protect you in most cases. Secondly, It's harder to find a partner as a lesbian compared to a gay man because not many straight men would pretend to be gay; you only find genuine gay guys. As a lesbian, you mostly get girls who pretend to like you but have only used you to turn men on; 80% of our dating pool is NOT filled with people who can return our feelings. People need to stop playing oppression olympics and realize that being LGBT is tough in general and your life isn't any easier by being a different oppressed group. ------ I should also add that I think being a gay man is harder overall since there's more stigma, but I think being a lesbian is harder in the LGBT community since we're invisble and we face heterosexist discrimination even by other lesbians and bisexual women; generally gay men can feel safer around other gay men, but as a lesbian, other queer women can be just as bad as my oppressors when they've grown up in a phallocentric society. Therefore it sucks because I don't just have to feel cautious around the cishetero community, but the bisexual/lesbian community as well.
That is something I have been trying to get a better handle on, having been effectively invisible unless I go out of my way to be visible. The phrase 'oppression olympics' is very picturesque, thank you for that.
I think the gay community and trans community are different. Just because we aren't straight doesn't mean we are genderqueer. Overall though, the idea of a community based on a sexuality, or gender identity is sort of ridiculous, we should be moving towards eradicating the LGBT community, and just become part of the Human Community; I.e change the way people think. That way there is no need for us to fall on eachother for support, we could just fall on whoever is in our lives at the moment like every other straight person. But ya, Trans community is very different from gay male community, and the lesbian community is very different from gay male....etc. The experience, and obstacles are just so different I don't know how they could be lumped together. If anything I think trans people need more rights, and the focus should sort of be taken off gays and more on making them seem more normal. But again, there are significant differences, the list goes on.
I think it is the case, other parts of the LGBT+ issues need to get adressed more, especially transgender issues, a lot of things aren't addressed. Maybe they should also have an educational thing on gender identity and sexual orientation in health classes with accurate and helpful information, it'll probably be forever before that happens though.
[YOUTUBE]AQ6cp2T76lY[/YOUTUBE] (this is all sarcasm, don't take too much into account) i noticed it a lot too. somehow in my head it comes off more of glorification rather then seeing it as a "common cause". don't get me wrong, there's a lot more discrimination towards the LGBT community then anyone thinks, even i experienced it. i think it's partially media perception to blame because they show more of what they want to see rather then message behind it. so i can't really say that it's entirely their fault. of course, the Transgenders and Lesbians don't get as much attention because they're "different standards", and that's completely wrong. i think those kinds of issues need to be addressed more often. i guess it's why individuals like us exist for that matter, to break down those barriers that not all of us are made the same way. i really have to think on this one, this is an interesting topic...
OMG THIS, plus It's not even acceptance when It IS two attractive women, because the guy thinks their sexuality is for them or they can join in/rape them, not that he supports the relationship between two women together.
Back when I identified as straight, I could never understand why so many other guys got off on lesbian porn. Really, it was beyond me, and still is. How can you get off on someone who would not want to be with you? Or maybe it's just some kind of puerile voyeurism...?
I never got it either because I was wishing I was one of them, because that looked like the bestest thing ever. Otherwise it actually is somewhat hard to understand.
Personally in my opinion gay men and lesbians face a roughly equal amount of discrimination, but I think that in both cases anyone who is more masculine or more feminine than they should be probably faces more discrimination.
*steps into topic eagerly* hello frienda well my more unfortunately apatheitc non-passionate opinion falls - *reads topic* haha holy shit im out sorry
*screams for everyone to stop playing privilege politics* *complains that lesbians don't have as many issues, ignores the rest of the community, pretends that nobody's worse off than the white gays*
Thanks for the responses, guys. I definitely don't think it's a contest to see who "has it harder" and I find that to be a bit of a waste of time, but I do agree with the idea that there are some issues that simply don't get as much attention as they should, and yes, that often comes from the B and T.
Straight men simply find women attractive therefore two women having sex would be a turn on for us especially since there is no man involved. I assume it's the same for gay men and straight women getting off two men having sex since there is no women involved. Orientation doesn't really make a difference as we're turned on by girls having sex in general no matter their orientation. Like everyone else, it depends on how hot we find the people having sex. Two girls who I don't find attractive having sex would't turn me on as opposed to ones who are. Not all of us find lesbian porn hot but it's not a stretch to say most of us do. Not that hard to understand really. As for the topic, trying to prove who has the "hardest" or is "privileged" doesn't accomplish anything. Working together to overcome those hardships does.
Eh, I liked some of your points, but this is one I'd have to kinda disagree with. Just as lesbian sex has its ridicules, so does m&m sex. There are terms like 'cocksucker' that are used as obvious insults toward gay/bi guys(when referring to the oral aspect), which is pretty odd considering that straight/bi women do it as well(but ofc it isn't an issue because they are women and that's - normal - for a woman to do). When you're talking about stuff like anal(involving two guys), there's a reason why there is a lot of crap surrounding that type of thing, especially towards bottoming(ever heard of bottom shame?). There are a lot of people who still think that a guy who's on the receiving end is losing his manhood and all that ya di da(have even seen some guys refer to it as feeling like they are being demeaned, mistreated, etc. etc.). They use stupid terms like butt pirates and phrases like 'playing in your backyard' and all that nonsense. Then of course you can throw in that prison stuff. Sure, enough of this has misogynistic roots, but you have to take into account who it is actually being directed at, too; not women(who the heck is making fun of a woman for 'taking it'?) Tl;dr - A lot of the time m&m sex isn't really seen as 'sex' either, more like a form of humiliation.
