Two pro choice arguments that frustrate me

Do you think that doesn't happen in a lot of cases? And what about one-night stands and things like that?

 

The general position I see from outspoken anti-abortion activists is "Women who have sex on their own terms express sexual autonomy, and expect to also be allowed the bodily autonomy that even a corpse is granted, to not have their bodily organs used without their consent. I find this wrong. They should be forced to go through pregnancy and raise a child who cannot be provided for financially and/or emotionally, permanently altering the course of their entire lives, because they had sex and that's how you punish someone for having sex."


*(and it's invariably women they talk about, though I know not everyone who gets pregnant is a woman)

 

*Nods* Exactly how I feel. My personal opinion though. I would not force my opinion on other though. So while I may feel this way I am not here to tell others how to live their lives. I would not stop anyone from getting one, I might try to talk them out of it if they had sex knowing it is possible, even with protection *since they aren't 100% effective*, and got pregnant... But ultimately it is THEIR choice not mine to make for them.

 

How are we to know if he has his feeling taken into consideration?
Do you know?

As for one night stands, aren't there contraceptives?

You seem to have it in your head that I've said it's totally out of the question to have an abortion. That it's completely wrong. Where in fact I did state it was my opinion. Just because you don't agree with mine it doesn't mean yours is the right one.

 

Until every child is wanted and if given up for adoption has a home....that's 100%....abortion must remain safe and legal. Women have been having abortions since the beginning of time and will continue to do so, with or without the law or male interference. The only difference now days is that it can be done without harming the woman. If it is made illegal, women will attempt other means, dangerous, horrible means to get the job done. I have personally talked with someone who used a wire coat hanger because she was desperate to get away from an abusive husband(not in this country) and escape with the one child she had. She never could have more children and she almost died from infection. So, even when a woman's life is in danger, she will chose abortion if she feels it is the best choice.

Outlawing it does NOTHING to stop it. You want to stop it? makes laws that guarantee a pregnant woman will have housing, a job and time home with her child like in Sweden. Socialistic? Sure, but even though abortion is legal until the moment of birth with no questions asked over there, the rate of abortion is one of the LOWEST in the world.

 

Pregnancy isn't a punishment for consensual sex, it's a punishment for unprotected consensual sex. Where I live, you can walk right into family planning (without a parent if you're a minor) and get free birth control of your choice and free condoms. NOT that difficult :rolle:

 

Not necessarily. In the states contraceptives are expensive and not easily accessible. It costs me approx 80 dollars for a three months supply of the pill.

 

Two thirds (66%) of women having an abortion at bpas reported using a form of contraception when they conceived.

 

Which is why you cannot just use one method, because no one method is guaranteed. Birth control AND condoms are necessary. Most women use one or the other.

Also, in allot of those cases, they're using birth control, but not using it properly or taking it regularly.

 

Every abortion case is unique. I don't care if someone is pro-life or pro-choice, all I want is the government to stay out of it because it's none of anybody's business. People can be pro-life and pro-choice at the same time. My sister is pro-life and would keep the baby unless it was the result of rape. At the same time, she supports Roe v. Wade.

 

I know that neither of our personal opinions matter. The only one that does is that of the pregnant person.

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Or we can not punish mistakes? What kind of sadistic mind is required to think that people should have to give birth to and even raise a child if they make a contraceptive mistake?

 

We're actually seriously talking about 'punishing' people for unprotected sex, with the penalty being unwanted children? So so so appalling.

AIDS is a deserved punishment for unprotected sex also I heard.

 

^+1....

 

I disagree. It's the government's duty to make sure all medical procedures are easily obtainable.

 

You could call that pro-situational, or anything other than pro-choice if you want, but in essence you have just described a pro-choice stance. I don't understand why people so frequently seem to want to hide from that label.

 

You, My Sir have a valid point. I would say though if the abortions is necessary for any medically valid reason *rape, incest, danger to mother, underage*, they would supply financial help to the woman, But I would say anyone who is just getting one without valid medical reason should be the one responsible for fronting the financial cost of it.

Call me pro-situational then.

 

I think carrying an unwanted foetus is a valid medical reason for anyone. And if they can't afford it, what are they supposed to do? Supporting the child would cost a fortune.

 

I think it was George Carlin who said the pro-life party will fight for the rights of a fetus, but once it enters the world; they couldn't find a fuck to give for the kid. (like how some pro-lifers are anti-abortion but pro-dp)

 

Ok, so where does the foetus stop being just that and becomes a life?
Where do you draw the line before it's existence is cut short?
Two months into pregnancy? The day before the birth?
When?

 

When it leaves the uterus covered in blood and shit while screaming and crying it's a human being with rights. While it's inside of the woman it's her body, her decision. However most abortions are performed earlier in the pregnancy before they look like anything more than sea monkeys.

When it comes to abortion, unless you have a uterus, you don't get to have an opinion on what someone does with theirs.

The father (regardless of relationship status) can say whatever he likes, but it's ultimately up to the mother.

No one wants to have an abortion, no one is pro-abortion, hell it's painful and traumatic, it literally is a last result. A wife isn't going to off her fetus to spite her husband.