Is LGBT wrong? Outdated?

It's not like we are FORCED to...nobody is stopping anyone from going their own way with it any more than they are stopping a theoretical Muslim/femenist/communist alliance...

We've come together because a good chunk of the time we want the same thing, which is why you won't see most other rights groups come together because they DON'T want the same things.

 

While the world at large does view transgender differently from the gay or straight community, I guess that the LGBT flag covers anything not heteronormative, so why not keep it grouped together?

 

Well since I am very passionate person I will never back down from a fight. i mean you can only imagine being denied a marriage license, being able to adopt a kid, or being told you can't see your partner in the hospital or even being denied access to your partner's funeral. It is not a imagination to us it is our reality. It is getting better thought more states are giving us our rights and thanks to these judges it will be 50 states probably in a few years. Basically if your denied your basic human rights you are naturally gonna fight for them.

Lesbians are glamorized by some straight men as hot and sexy while gay men are disgusting to them. It is very annoying and hateful but I don't dwell on it anymore. If you have a problem with my sexuality please just delete me cause I am better off without you. That's just what I think.

 

There are black feminist Muslims who are LGBT. It's really bad that a lot of white people assume LGBT refers only to the white LGBT people, as if we were actually the largest group of queer people around. I don't see why we should separate movements when so many are part of more than one. Even worse, without making activism intersectional (which we usually fail to do), a lot of people scorn the idea of a black LGBT feminist Muslim, as if that's rare, and more importantly, as if it doesn't matter.

Objectification is not an advancement in equality. It's just the same misogynistic rubbish that says women are sexual objects for men. Watch what happens when the same men who "love" lesbians get told "no." Gay and bi women get objectified and get the abuse gay and bi men go through, after the "just waiting for a man to come along" stuff is proven non-existent.

These things are all related, because unlike what the media presents, most LGBT people aren't white, around half are women, and way more than are in media are trans, non-binary or otherwise queer. You can't separate gender and sexuality from feminism, nor can you separate it from race and class issues. The movements need to intersect if we want to reflect reality.

I'm not sure if I like the idea of dividing the movements. On one hand, we need to work together and make sure we don't leave anyone out. On the other, we need to focus on the issues that matter and stop depicting the average LGBT person as an upper-middle class white man in New York. I don't think there's an easy solution, but I've got a feeling separating them is not the way to go. We need to start pointing fingers: Who benefits from these forms of oppression? We know the answer to that one, but too many of us ignore it as if it's not a problem. The attitude where we complain about homophobia, sexism, transphobia, racism and so on, but aren't allowed to point fingers at who is sexist, racist, and anti-LGBT.

 

Damn, you sure you're only 16?

Very eloquent.

 

That was all very well said. I can personally relate to the part where you said,

It's just the same misogynistic rubbish that says women are sexual objects for men. Watch what happens when the same men who "love" lesbians get told "no."

Also, the people who stand in the way of things like job protection, marriage rights. adoption rights, they don't care what you are, if you're not totally straight.

 

I've found this to be the case very often in media - the gay male (while poorly represented almost always as a white/upper middle class/fabulous city dweller) is often more accepted in today's media as opposed to lesbian couples. Lesbian sexuality can be more freely expressed (while its normally for the male gaze, and hardly ever represents real gay women) than two men showing passion.

So essentially, straight girls get a reinforced "gay best friend" theory while straight guys are reinforced with the "these girls are making out for me" theory from all of these media outlets.

Are they related? Yes. We need proper representation of ALL people. Without proper representation, we get ignorance.

 

It's hard to go alone. I am imagining how poorly the T would be doing if it wasn't lumped in with the other 3.

 

It is easier to come together and work towards a common goal than to fight separate battles.

 

I love all LGBT people and have no hate towards any of them. I loved the movie Transamerica. We need to stick together for the good of all people.

That means not just lgbt people it means disabled, different races, religions, ethnic backgrounds and so on. I have a disability along with being gay and sometimes when I tell another lgbt person I am gay they say you cannot be gay you probably don't even understand what that means cause your disabled. Its pathetic and pure stupidity. A disability does not mean a person cannot know who their attracted too.

A minority should respect other minorities no matter what.

 

i think it makes a lot of sense for the LGBT+ community to stay together since we are indeed fighting for the same things, the right to be ourselves and the right to love whoever we want. You may identify a man or a woman or even something different and you may like other men, women, or be asexual. Those two things, in any combination harm enyone else. So why should I allow discrimination agains the people that are not the same as me? Shouldn't I aprove straight people discriminating me then?. A person is a person and love is love, for me thats the end of the discussion.

I think you kind of hit the head of the nail here, stereotypes are one of the most important sources of discrimination and really harmful. Lesbians showing public affection may be more accepted by heterosexual but it is simply because they are seen as an object of desire by straight men and not out of respect. In part because of lesbian porn directed to straight men. This among many other is a reason why I think gay men should support feminism but well thats kind of offtopic here.

 

Important to connect the dots. At a time when we are losing commons to privitization, when the public schools system is being systematically dismantled, when we are spending more on prisons than education, when the U.S. has 900 foreign bases and the military absorbs far and away more of every public dollar than any combination of socially beneficial programs, when we have a surveillance operation more extensive that STASI or the USSR at their peak, when dissent is being outlawed and local police militarized with SWAT teams and armored vehicles.

You may think who you have sex with is a private matter, but it's not. All of the above is connected on social, emotional and psychological levels with systems of patriarchal authority and binary categorizations that are the foundation of authoritarian structures--and sex and gender are at the heart of that because of how they underlie all these structures on irrational and unconscious levels.

In an authoritarian system, sex is political. Politics is sexual. It's nothing less than delusional to think acceptance of things like gay marriage, and worse, queers in the military, are signs that it doesn't matter anymore--that we can be queer in the sack, and 'normal' on the street and the work place.

There's so much younger people need to learn about our history, about how to think critically and politically about where we are and how we stand in this fucked up suicidal post-capitalist endgame we're playing. It is astonishing that it could even occur to anyone that--maybe we don't need to think in terms of solidarity anymore? That we aren't in this together to the end. All queers of every flavor?

 

This is basically what I think re the OP question. We all basically want the same things, it doesn't matter our specific orientation, we are all fighting the *same* equality fight. We want laws dealing with hate crimes against us, we want laws against getting fired for our orientation, we want the same rights that straight people already have. Just because we may not be attracted to the same gender/types of people doesn't mean we aren't in this together. If everyone in a group wants the same thing, it doesn't matter *how* diverse the group is. Groups are more likely to be heard then individuals, anyways.

 

It would actually be doing better, I would imagine. T issues are often used as the 'compromise' to bargain for LGB rights - i.e. saying to conservatives "If we take out the bit about transgender protections, will you then sign the Bill?"

The LGB have a long and infamous history of throwing the T under the bus to get their own rights.

 

I went to two of the most liberal schools in the nation and transgender was hardly discussed, it was almost entirely gay and lesbian issues. It's always the middle child that gets ignored.

 

Thinking it's wrong or weird that the LGBT community is demanding rights is the equivalent of slaves demanding to be set free or women demanding the right to vote. If you're wrongly being oppressed, you should be demanding your rights.

 

Maybe the T should step out on there own then?

 

LGBT is a group, a community separate, though also can be including of, heteronormity.

However there are separate causes or groups for transgenders, lesbians, ect. that can and do stand by themselves.

I do not think any group is perfect, however I think that overall they are beneficial.

 

We were very much on our own and making a lot of progress. In the late 1970s, transgender people were on the cusp of having their condition declared a medical one, rather than a psychological one. Unfortunately the combined work of anti-transgender radical feminists and GL lobbyists saw that crushed and transgender rights tumbled back into the dark ages.

We largely work on our own rights now, having grown sick of the 'We'll come back for you!' promises from some in the GLB. You'll find that the majority of the progress made for transgender people has been made by transgender people, for transgender people.