1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Abortion poll (may be triggering)

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by MerBear, Jun 29, 2013.

?

What is your stance?

  1. I am female and Pro-life

    10 vote(s)
    4.1%
  2. I am male and Pro-life

    20 vote(s)
    8.3%
  3. I am female and pro-choice

    65 vote(s)
    27.0%
  4. I am male and Pro choice

    122 vote(s)
    50.6%
  5. Mixed/unsure/No opinion

    24 vote(s)
    10.0%
  1. Mike92

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2012
    Messages:
    2,244
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Erie, Colorado
    Gender:
    Male
    Gender Pronoun:
    He
    Sexual Orientation:
    Gay
    Out Status:
    Some people
    Oh, yes, because those two statements are clearly equating the ability to carry a child to "womanhood."

    Not really. But if it makes you feel better, have at it.
     
  2. kulele

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    Sexual Orientation:
    Bisexual
    Either way it's cissexist and it'd be greatly appreciated if you could use gender neutral terms. :slight_smile:
     
  3. biggayguy

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,082
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Ohio
    I've enjoyed a pretty nice quality of life. even though I've never walked without crutches and braces. My disabled friends have also had good lives. Sure, there have been lots of surgeries and hardships but I know very few people that don't have some hardships. If someone doesn't have a functional brain that would qualify for abortion to my thinking.
     
  4. MerBear

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,056
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    east coast
    i Just dont see how some people think someone doesn't have the right to have a abortion. Moral or not.
     
    #184 MerBear, Jun 30, 2013
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2013
  5. kulele

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    Sexual Orientation:
    Bisexual
    Hey, I'm really self conscious I'm harping on about this, but could we try to use gender neutral terms please, because uterus =/= woman and the cissexism is really quite hurtful? I get we mess up sometimes and that's okay, though. I'm probably going to leave this thread for my own sanity, though.
     
  6. Mike92

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2012
    Messages:
    2,244
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Erie, Colorado
    Gender:
    Male
    Gender Pronoun:
    He
    Sexual Orientation:
    Gay
    Out Status:
    Some people
    I feel that even if the child, fetus, whatever, isn't at the point of being capable of living outside of the parent carrying him/her, they still have a right to an opportunity to live life.

    If the parent doesn't feel ready to be, well, a parent -- I think there are better alternatives besides abortion. And again, rape, incest, or if the parent's life is in danger is a different circumstance.
     
  7. MerBear

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,056
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    east coast
    Sorry. I changed woman to someone....is that okay? I apologize.
    Im still research of gender terms and understanding them

    ---------- Post added 30th Jun 2013 at 07:41 PM ----------

    Thank you for answering.
     
  8. kulele

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    Sexual Orientation:
    Bisexual


    That's great thank-you. :slight_smile:
     
  9. MerBear

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,056
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    east coast


    Okay and You're welcome :grin:
     
  10. James

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2008
    Messages:
    354
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    PEI, Canada
    I'm pro choice.
     
  11. RedState

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,456
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    The Southeastern Conference
    Male. Pro-life.

    As an aside..the most staunch pro-lifers I have ever come in contact with have all been women
     
  12. MerBear

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,056
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    east coast
    Just as i've thought
     
  13. MerBear

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,056
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    east coast
    I hate when i'm in a debatable mood and I have no education on the topic that much. damn
     
  14. ArcaneVerse

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    529
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    I would say I'm both. My views will probably piss a few people off but It seems to be the most fair solution to me, not that it would ever be the way things are handled.

    For me if either the mother or the father want to keep the baby, then the baby is kept and who ever didn't want to keep it signs their rights away. If neither parent wants the baby then an abortion is the right option.

    Now I understand this would mean if a women didnt want to have the baby and the father did, then the mother would still have to carry to term. For most people that might seem unfair, but the way I see it is it takes two to make a baby and both know full well that sex can lead to pregnancy and this way the baby has two chances at life, while also not binding either party to being a responsible parent the rest of their lives.

    Now of course if conception is the result of rape\abuse then the female has complete control over whether the baby is aborted or not. Same goes if there is a clear medical risk to the mother during childbirth.

    The reason I see this as the only fair way to go about things is because as it stands now, women have all the control. Men don't get a say whether they want to spend the rest of their lives being responsible for a child. Which means when a girl decides to (for lack of a better word) trick a guy into making a baby, as in poking holes in condoms and going off birth control etc, or even if it was an accident, he would usually have to pay child support if the mother decided to kept the baby.

    Anyways thats just my opinion. its not perfect but its the only way the makes sense to me and as close to being fair as you can get to the three involved.
     
  15. Gen

    Gen
    Full Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2012
    Messages:
    4,070
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Nowhere
    Male. Pro-Choice.

    Personally, I think that being pro-life is a very admirable belief, but it truthfully doesn't seem very realistic in the grand scheme of things. The treatment of those children often don't turn out very well to say the least.
     
  16. MerBear

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,056
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    east coast
    See, this girl gave her stance on why she is pro life ...she gave 8 reasons ..she said something about the heart beat starts at 5 weeks or something. is that true?
     
  17. Ridiculous

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2010
    Messages:
    3,583
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    New Zealand
    The brain and nervous system is what is important, not the heart. Fetuses have no capability for feeling pain until 20 weeks, they have no viability whatsoever until about 24 weeks; they are essentially just one of the carrier's own bodyparts until then.

    A fetal heart starts becoming active at about 3 weeks after conception, by the way.
     
  18. MerBear

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,056
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    east coast
    thank you :slight_smile:
     
  19. BrokenGuy

    BrokenGuy Guest

    I am a gay male and support Pro-life!
     
  20. Ridiculous

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2010
    Messages:
    3,583
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    New Zealand
    It should have been "no capability for feeling pain until at least 20 weeks." In reality it is probably a few weeks later but it's not something that can be told exactly - it certainly isn't before 20 weeks anyway.