1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Struggling to find my identity

Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by JamesD, Dec 29, 2011.

  1. JamesD

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2011
    Messages:
    64
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Boston
    It can be. But that's really up to you Sun. If one is hanging out in places where random meaningless hookups occur, that;s what one will find. I know a lot of gay men who are down right prudish.
     
  2. Sunsetting

    Sunsetting Guest

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2011
    Messages:
    61
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New York
    Gender:
    Male
    yeah, i feel ya on that too
     
  3. JamesD

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2011
    Messages:
    64
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Boston
    As with any large group, I think it's easy to over generalize. What is the "gay community" really anyway? It's not like gay people are some monolithic group. As with any group, it's made up of individuals. Sure, some are promiscuous. But many are not. Also I think that as being gay is gaining more and more acceptance there isn't as much of a need to hide who you are and thus be forced into engaging in risky behaviors.
     
  4. Ianthe

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    2,760
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Oregon
    It can be hard to tell the difference between dating and hookup websites. If all the questions you have to answer to fill out your profile are sexual questions, it's probably a hookup website; if you have to fill out big sections about things like whether you want children and how much do you drink or smoke, and "what would your ideal date be like," it's probably a dating website geared more toward people who are looking to actually get to know people and possibly develop a relationship.

    If what you really want is a relationship, it's a good idea to go on one of the dating sites, and make it clear in your profile that that is what you are looking for. You will get fewer responses on a dating site, and looking for a relationship, but they will be responses that are more what you are looking for and worth your time.

    There are always more people looking for hookups than relationships. That's because hookups are short, so, really, people who prefer them are not out of the market for very long--and, people looking for relationships sometimes like hookups in the meantime as well.

    A person who likes (and is good at) being in a relationship will not be on the market very often--such people spend more time in relationships than out of them. So there just aren't as many people like that in the dating pool.

    They do exist, though--you just may have to be a little more patient.
     
  5. JamesD

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2011
    Messages:
    64
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Boston
    Also - don't have sex on the first date ;-)
     
  6. Filip

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    2,355
    Likes Received:
    105
    Location:
    Belgium, EU
    Gender:
    Male
    Gender Pronoun:
    He
    Sexual Orientation:
    Gay
    Out Status:
    Out to everyone
    Late to the party, but it always feels good to commiserate!

    Personally, I do sometimes think I was actually too successful on filling up my life with all kinds of stuff to do to avoid facing the fact that I was gay or trying on dating.
    Meaning that, after actually figuring it out, I'm actually not all that inclined to actively go out looking for gay friends or dates. It's an uncertain prospect, with risk of failure, while I just know that hanging out with friends, or doing sports, or gaming, will be fun every time (or at the very least passable and wihtout risk of embarrassment). I just never seem to rack up the level of lonelyness (let alone desperation) to actually change my normal routine.

    Add to that that, on the few times I did actually meet up with gay people (usually friends of friends), fitting in was a bit of a chore. Most of them tried (with the best of intentions), to relate on the "gay side" of things. And then we just ended up staring at each other when realising none of the ice-breaking anecdotes they told struck a chord with me, while my defining gay anecdotes usually were about coming out, which was 15 years ago to most of them.
    Which means, ironically, that while I have a few gay friends, we're usually friends for any reason except both being gay xD

    On the whole though, I'm still figuring slow and steady will win me the race eventually...
     
  7. JamesD

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2011
    Messages:
    64
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Boston
    Does it really take desperation for you to actively take steps to be happy?
     
  8. Bedroom Hymns

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2011
    Messages:
    203
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Catalonia
    Congrats on accepting yourself :slight_smile:.
     
  9. lazyboy

    lazyboy Guest

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2011
    Messages:
    226
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New Brunswick, Canada
    Gender:
    Male
    Sexual Orientation:
    Gay
    It does when your life settles into a comfortable routine. When you've found a semi-comfortable little niche for yourself in life, even if you want more, it takes quite a bit of effort to step out of that comfort zone into an unknown situation. Changing things up can be quite stressful. Sometimes it DOES take desperate times to take desperate measures.
     
  10. Filip

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    2,355
    Likes Received:
    105
    Location:
    Belgium, EU
    Gender:
    Male
    Gender Pronoun:
    He
    Sexual Orientation:
    Gay
    Out Status:
    Out to everyone
    Well, the situation I keep going back to is that I'm really not unhappy as it is. Essentially, it's the same straight life I had before coming out, with added benefit that I now know my friends like me for me, rather than for straight-me.
    And compared to being happy as it is, it seems like a chore to forego on fun activities with friends for the uncertain prospect of "finding a gay identity"

    Essentially, the main reason I'd need for actively searching out gay people to socialise with would be that my normal friends wouldn't understand me or be supportive enough. But that's not a problem I have. In fact, usually they're the ones who are insatiable about discussing my sexuality, what it's like to come out, etc...
    And, as I mentioned above, when socialising with gay people, I didn't feel all that much more of a connection (Ironically, I feel it when I know someone is gay, but it seems to dissipate when I actually get talking)

    The main reason I'd need for dating would be lonelyness or some kind of physical desire to have a boyfriend around. But I'm not really feeling that right now. "Meh, let's try it out" is not quite enough to get me going on dates with people I don't know yet :wink:

    Obviously, then you might ask "then what's the problem? Why are you complaining about not wanting to change things if you don't want to change things?".
    And I guess there it's mostly that vague feeling I have that, had I come out ten years ago, I would have had the drive to do that. Or worse, that ten years from now, I might regret not changing things now.

    Also, and by the way, it's not my intent to hijack this thread. We might be moving on from the original topic here...
     
  11. Chip

    Board Member Admin Team Advisor Full Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2008
    Messages:
    16,560
    Likes Received:
    4,758
    Location:
    northern CA
    Gender:
    Male
    Gender Pronoun:
    He
    Sexual Orientation:
    Gay
    Out Status:
    Out to everyone
    I can definitely relate to what Filip says. Workaholism is definitely a form of addiction, and it can be a brilliant protection against feelings, or emptiness, or self-hate, or many other things. Back in the 80s, one of the early landmark books looking at gay men was the book "The Corporate Closet" which was the first scholarly study of LGBT people (mostly gay men) in the workplace. And unsurprisingly, one of the things that came across was that many gay men would rise quickly in their workplace because they feel the need to work harder, longer, better, both to convince themselves of their worth, and to "rationalize" the lack of attention to dating.

    Now, that said, I also absolutely believe there can be people, gay and straight, for whom being single can be a very content life, and if you get to a point where you've been single a really long time, it can actually "upset the apple cart" to think about taking on a primary relationship. It takes time that is probably filled with other activities, and energy and emotions that also are probably otherwise taken up. Many gay men or lesbians have developed circles of friends that are very close, and (minus the sexual aspects) fulfill the same needs as a primarly relationship would, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

    So the real question is: For those who are single, are they really happy and content in the lives? If there's balance between work and relaxation/recreation, and if there is "down time" to simply think and contemplate, and the overall emotional state of the person is in balance (i.e, no depression other than very minor ups-and-downs, and life feels "full") then I would argue that's a life that's rich and full.

    But for many people, that isn't enough... and for those, then it does make sense to stretch themselves a bit, even if it means going out of the comfort zone, and putting oneself out there to develop meaningful relationships.

    So, perhaps because of the above, I think it can be more difficult for gay men to find meaningful relationships... because many gay men -- particularly those 30 and older who tend to have more emotional baggage from less cultural acceptance growing up -- are wrapped up in work or other "protections" from feelings, or they are deathly afraid of emotional intimacy and so stick to hookups, which are safe, because there's no commitment and no need to allow oneself to be emotionally open.

    But there are plenty of gay men who do seek out healthy and fulfilling relationships. I do think it's a little harder to find them -- you won't generally see them on the hookup sites or in bars or clubs -- but they're there if you put the effort in to finding them :slight_smile:
     
  12. Branconegro

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2011
    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Sexual Orientation:
    Gay
    Talking about this and talking about my country(Brazil)(and I believe is the same for the rest of others countries, probably in different proportions), I have some oficial datas from Brazilian Government:

    52% of gay man have more than 11 years of study; only 25% of heterossexual mens have the same years of study.

    Grupo Pela Vidda - AIDS.ORG.BR >> in Portuguese

    1.4% of gay couples are rich, against 0.4% of straight couples
    3.77% of gay couples are upper midle class, against 1.05% of straight couples

    LGBT people in Brazil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia >> In English
     
  13. JamesD

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2011
    Messages:
    64
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Boston
    Filip - I'm not suggesting that when one comes out they must immediately change all their friends and start socializing with people they wouldn't otherwise. And I'm not suggesting that all gay people should get along simply because they are gay. But, for me anyway, accepting my orientation brought with it a host of questions for me. Who would I like to date (e.g., what sort of guy, what education level, what age range, etc. etc.). I guess I am talking more about the uncertainty I feel in my identity (not my orientation) now that I am out. TO hear you describe it, it sounds like you find being gay something of a burden. But maybe I'm just misreading your satisfaction with your present life and social connections as something its not.

    J.