Gay Gene Denied

I laugh at people like that . I, of course, preach the "even if they hate you, don't hate back" due to the fact that our "kind" (XD) has to endure so much hatred as it is, that hating someone else is just pure hypocrisy.

 

Wow-that really pisses me oof.

I wanna write the APA to double-check, but
this is 100% Bull. I think genes have some role
in it, but my theory is the hormones in the womb
one.

 

i was always this way and thats fine i know its not a concious decision of how i met the first guy i was actually attracted to at college. i dont know what sparked it inside me, i had never been to fussed on girls it was the way to be not the way to be happy. it was mt best mate ive mentioned it a few times i met him and straight away i was like woo whats this feeling and i know it wasent a choice because i was scared.. and confused and tried convincing myself i was straight i would be teary led awake at nighht telling myself i am straight getting angry with myself, this new realisation of loving another guy made my depression worse, why would i choose to make myself feel suicidal?. so i ran back to women doing anything i could to change how i thought... not the actions of someone makeing a choice.

the only choice i made was to sit down and accept myself and i did it sat in my car at a trainstation car park waiting for him to comeback from his fiances. i realised how much he meant to me and how much i missed him i actually typed alot of deeo letters whule he was away... typing my thoughts this really helped and sat in this car i said out loud to myself "i ... am ... gay... ahh FFS ". so i knew i fancyed men and had now come to terms with it.

but i still had depression i was still alone i still had nobody to talk too and nobody who would accept and care about me.

im just thankfull i found this place when i did or i dread to think of what would of happened to how i was thinking.

this isnt a choice there have been things in my life that make me realise this i just never saw it, nobody chooses to like guys its always been there theyve just not realised it, when they meet the guy who sparks the attraction it hits you and you have to react either positivelly or negativelly but it isnt just a thought that passes you by its something you realise and have to think about it

this isnt choice, this is life

 

Oh dear can they not read! "Nature and nurture both play complex roles" does not mean that genes do not play a significant role. It means that other factors may also play a significant role (significant role does not mean the determining role). Since otherwise identical twins may have different sexualities we know it is not a simple single gene that decides it

And I don't think anyone seriously expects the genetic influence to be a single gene it will be the interaction of several genes and the hormones and other influences caused by those genes, as well as nuture factors.

And it does not matter weather sexuality is set by nature or nuture - it is still set.

So Jesus can't have me for a straight sunbeam yet - at least not without a black hole to bend the light a bit.

Prester

 

I agree.

 

If it's all nurture, then why did my brother grow up to be straight?

 

Just because there isn't one single gay gene doesn't mean that there aren't many genes that contribute. This doesn't mean it's all nurture.

 

http://www.godmademegay.com/Letter.htm
That would be a link to a rather lengthy letter that somebody wrote to someone else about what the Bible says about homosexuality. Only felt like posting that since some things were mentioned about the Bible and God and all that.

 

Great post! So true,yet so comical! :eusa_clap

 

"People need to understand that the 'gay gene' theory has been one of the biggest propaganda boons of the homosexual movement over the last 10 [or] 15 years,"

Yes, and the biggest boon for the homophobic propaganda machine is that gays breaking into your house, molest your children, and turn your children gay...

personally, I think people being born gay makes more sense then equating gay people to child molesters when child molestation is still predominatly a heterosexual crime, often against people within their own family.

... and as for turning people gay. I am not changing anyway, but if a gay person gets the nerve to come out about who they are because more and more people are doing it, making it socially acceptable to be who you really are, then fine, I am doing my small part in that by finally getting the courage to start coming out.

 

Well, first of all, any legitimate finding or publication by an organization such as the APA would NOT EVER include the phrase "gay agenda". Those reports are always clinical and very neutral in their terminolgy. I agree with GhostDog, the second those words come up, we should just stop reading. That, and flag it/post it to places like EC so that we make everyone aware that it's out there.

Like the Tyra "Gay is the new Black" show, any of the miserable examples from the Phelps Hardcore Clown Reject Show, the terrible and very scary big Storm That Is Coming, etc..., we should all be very aware of what's being put out there, pass it on, then put it in the backs of our minds.

BTW: Thanks to a neighborhood kid, when I was eight years old, I discovered porn via magazines he pilfered from his dad. Without totally knowing what it meant, I quickly realized that I got all tingly and 'butterflied' by looking at naked men and penises, and had no reaction to the naked women, at all. Again, this happened when I was eight and with me having no clue what it all meant. And this without any warning one summer, in the middle of my very hetero upbringing in the family-filled suburbs of Americana. How the F**K is that nuture OR a choice?

(Sean steps down from his soapbox) :eusa_clap

 

You're not entitled to talk, because you obviously don't know what does "having a relationship with Christ" **means**. I find that really insulting. Anyways -- Hormones are not genes, therefore, the study is flawed. Now, I don't understand why people are dismissing it since it's a legit study, or just going "ARRRGHH" since obviously, scientists know more than you, regardless them being gay, christian, atheist, from Westboro or the Vatican.

 

Hey Jede
I think that acorn was just venting some frustration over the article because the LGBT society seems to always be up against a brick wall when religion tries to justify the immorality of homosexuality. He just said it the wrong way... So dont be too upset, although you do have the right to stand up for your beliefs.

You must be careful about your trust in scientists though because they are human beings just like you and me. We all have minds and so we are all entitled to counter analyse other people's studies....that's how research develops. Even if a study is published in a reputable journal it doesnt necessarily mean it speaks the truth especially if it is funded by a group with an ulterior motive. Hell if you want an example look at the high measles prevalence in Britain caused by an idiot scientist who single handedly killed the popularity of the MMR vaccine...published in one of the most prestigious journals (Lancet).

I personally think this article is right with respect to genotypes. I doubt very much there is one gene that makes us gay... otherwise we would have found it. Just like the determinants of our height...sexuality is polygenic with a degree of environmental influence. However this article has been written with an intention to disprove any genetic element...especially written for people with no scientific background!

 

I agree with this, but dismissing it with no further explanation on the matter, just "because I am gay and I know that's not right" which is the attitude taken here by many is the thing that bugs me. I think that if this study is right, it will be a major breakthrough in science since it's not just about who is gay and why, but who is straight and why.

Many people have said it's genes, but that would imply that entire families that haven't had gay members in the last so many generations wouldn't get one "all of a sudden" since genes are given from one generation to the next and they usually take a couple generations to become active--or dormant, w/e. Now, when a male receives too much estrogen or when a female receives too much testosterone that can cause some changes in behaviour and looks, which is more accurate. Since each pregnancy is different and depends in the health, age, conditions, and even habits of the pregnant woman, and her environment a little more indirectly (this includes husband/wife/sperm donor if known), it's safer to say each and every gay and straight person have had a different path in their lifes, and that 9 months in the mother's womb was a unique journey that can mold it's sexual behaviour to a point where I think we still underestimate.

 

Oh I completely agree that the environment of the womb will have a huge impact on many of our traits. Damn mothers who smoke whilst pregnant may be the cause of their sons dropping down at 50 from a heart attack (the barker theory if you're interested). And I also agree that many people just write off arguments but saying "Oh thats bollocks and thats not right"...that kind of attitude doesnt prove anything. Supposed facts need to be critically appraised with a scientific chisel rather than an angry sledgehammer.

But that aside ....there is so much we dont yet understand about genetics. All current research points towards phenotype (as in our traits) being determined by the gene/environment interplay. I am certain sexuality would work in much the same way.

In terms of families who have never had a gay son there are a number of logical explanations.

1. ENVIRONMENT- (and perhaps the most likely) Society never allowed anyone to be gay in the past. There are still some countries in the world where you can be legally put to death if trying to live as a homosexual. So perhaps there were other gay people in the family...but they never came out.

2. GENETICS- Genetics is more complex than phenotypes just simply skipping generations. There may be new mutations, there may be a different combination of genes that alter phenotype. (for example look at intelligence....genuises like Einstein and Newton were born to parents with rather normal IQ...brainboxes were produced from the combination of "normal" genes).

I think its all a combination of factors. I mean there's one thing to be said about sexuality...it definitely is not as black and white as eye colour....but rather more like height (with huge genetic and environmental impactors).

 

Hey, sorry I offended you. My intention was not to diss spirituality or Christianity at all, it was just a play on words directed at whichever lame person wrote that article. Not intended