"Everyone's little bi"

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  1. Crisalide

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    Is that true that "everyone's little bi" or is being bisexual a sexual minority too? Is there any research done seriously on the issue?
    (I hate that sentence by the way. Bi the way. Heheh. Stupid puns.)
     
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    I don't think everyone is bi. There are people who are very strongly only attracted to one sex. But I do think a lot of people have the potential to be bi, if they give themselves permission and freedom to accept that sexuality can be fluid :relaxed:
     
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    I don't think everyone is bi either. However they say about 10% of the worlds population is gay. Which makes me think that maybe only 10% of the worlds population is really straight. Maybe most people are somewhere in the middle.
     
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    Im not sexual attracted to women, but there are a few women in history I'd would try it with just because of who they are.
     
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    Nope. Even kinsey himself said that 100% straight or gay people were 10% of the population, making them more common than asexuals. A minority, yes, impossible, no.

    For the record, I consider myself 100% gay. There is nothing bi about me, not even enough to say 1%. I have never slept with a man, I have never fantasized about a man, I have never been sexually or romantically interested in a man, I would never make an exception for one, I have never found one "remotely good looking", and when a man has done really nice things for me and bonded close to me....I still could only see him as a brother/father figure. Yet a woman could do the same thing and I'd be attracted within seconds.

    I am in the 10%. But even I will admit it's a minority. I have noticed a lot of lesbians on EC that show slight bi feelings (maybe even the majority of them) and I'm always all "huh???" I don't relate to those threads at all.
     
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    I don't doubt that a ton of people identify as straight or gay, but they are actually some range of bi.

    But EVERYBODY? No. I feel like saying that everybody is basically shoving everybody's (even bi people) feelings under the rug.
     
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    A lot of people are probably a little bi but I think girls are more likely to explore it.
     
  8. Technically, it could be possible that most people could be bi on some level, but most of these people are primarily attracted to one sex or the other, and most will only have attractions for one sex or the other in their lifetime. I myself am bi. I am attracted to males more than females, but it’s still a somewhat close call. I am not exclusively attracted to one sex or the other. I’m all over the place and it’s always been pretty obvious for the most part. I did go through a phase of denial, but I was too obviously bi to be able to deny it for very long. I’d say the majority of people have the potential ability to be attracted to both sexes, but not as many actually are.
     
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    No, I don’t think everyone is Bi. However, I suppose it depends on what you mean by bisexual. To me, the word bisexual implies equal or close to equal attraction. Someone who could happily have a long-term relationship with either a man or a woman, and it wouldn’t matter which because they’d be happy either way. The attraction doesn’t have to be equal, but it has to be significant enough for the person to be happy with either outcome.

    I think there are people who fall between straight and bisexual, and also people who are between bisexual and gay. A while ago I read this article about a woman who identified as a Kinsey 5. She got engaged to a man, but she later came out as gay and (presumably) left him. The woman described the attraction she felt to him as very infrequent, so infrequent that she found it difficult to keep the relationship going and she felt like he deserved better. She said that it didn’t feel natural most of the time, and it just wasn’t working…that neither of them were happy.

    http://ask.metafilter.com/152625/Honey-I-think-Im-a-Kinsey-5

    There probably are people out there who have experienced the reverse of that Kinsey 5 woman in the article. However, you tend to hear about that less often. I suppose shame plays a part in that, a person who is pretty much gay or exclusively gay is more likely to try and force a straight relationship, than a straight or almost straight person is to try and force a gay relationship to work.

    Would I consider her to be Bi? Only technically, but no not really. Then, there are the people who in my opinion would definitely fall under the bi category, but identify as straight. I knew a guy like that. He described his attraction as “80% women, 20% men” but “50/50 when I get drunk, haha”. He had a habit of making out with pretty much everyone when he got drunk. They acknowledged that they are “kind of bi”, but identified as straight generally because they didn’t identify with the LGBT community.

    To complicate this, and to go against my original definition for a moment…he felt like he couldn’t be happy with both outcomes, because he couldn’t see himself in a relationship with another guy and “would never actively seek one, even if I felt attracted”. Now, to me it sounds a lot like some shame going on. He clearly has a significant degree of attraction to both, I mean 20% attraction to the same sex sounds like a lot for a guy who identifies as straight.

    Maybe if he worked through some of his issues, and didn’t feel like he needed to get drunk to be comfortable in himself, then maybe he’d feel comfortable with both potential outcomes.

    There are definitely people out there who are exclusively one way or the other. We tend to refer to these people as Kinsey 0 (exclusively straight) and Kinsey 6 (exclusively gay). Now, I’m not one of those people that knew from the age of three that they were gay. I started off thinking I was straight, then I had a “Wait, hang on” moment. Here’s how my identity went for me:

    Kinsey 0: Ok, so I’m straight because that’s what the majority is. I haven’t had any evidence to show otherwise.

    1: Actually…maybe I’m not 100% straight…

    2: Maybe I’m bi….

    3: Well, er…I definitely feel attraction to women. Maybe it’s equal?

    4: Actually, thinking about it I think I have a preference towards women.

    5: Hang on, do I even like men? I don’t know, maybe.

    6: I think I might be gay.

    5: Or maybe…I have a slight attraction to men?

    6: Maybe I don’t?

    Between 5 and 6: Perhaps I’m somewhere in-between?

    5.5: Yeah…maybe…

    5.9: Couldn’t I just round up at this point?

    6: Well, I feel gay.

    5: Maybe not though…

    6: Nope, pretty sure I’m gay at this point.

    The end.

    I feel like I came out twice to myself. Once when I acknowledged my attraction to women, and a second time where I recognised my lack of attraction to men. Part of the reason that bisexuals get a bad rap is due to the fact that some homosexual individuals come out as Bi before they come out as gay, and I’ll admit at one point I came out as Bi because I’d always just assumed that I liked men, so when I started having feelings for women I just thought “Oh, I guess I’m Bi then”, but with time I realised “Wait…but I don’t feel anything towards guys”.

    For a period of time I identified as a Kinsey 5, and if you look back to some of my old threads here you’ll see me refer to myself as that. But, I gave it some thought and that label just doesn’t seem to fit me. I feel like my attraction is more exclusive than that, so I think I’m closer to a 6 than a 5.

    With 0 and 6, it’s easy to put those into the gay and straight categories, but 1 and 5 often fall under debate. Some argue that anything that isn’t a 0 or a 6 is bisexual, but when it comes down to it…you have to consider the practicality of these labels.

    Simply put, labels are there to give others an understanding of who you’re willing to date. It lets them know if you’re potentially available or not. If you tell someone that you are bisexual, they are going to assume that you are somewhere in the 2 to 4 section of the scale. They don’t want to know about if are typically straight/gay identifying, but are slightly bi every blue moon when digestives are on sale or something. All they want to understand is if you could be potentially interested. That’s all. So, if someone feels attraction to a certain sex but it’s so rare that it’s not enough to sustain a relationship with that sex, and they’d be much happier with the other sex…I don’t see much point in that person identifying as Bi.
     
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    Good post thanks for sharing. Why can’t we like posts in this section?
     
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    Thanks. :slight_smile:

    Sadly, you can only like posts in the support sections for now.
     
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    I actually viewed the kinsey scale kind of like food. I've used this analogy before, but I can use it again if anyone else is interested:

    Kinsey 3's always like both meal options at a party no matter what. They have no preference. The reverse is true for Kinsey X's (always disliking it).

    A kinsey 2 or 4 is like a person who loves both chocolate pie and apple pie. However, they usually prefer one flavor over the other. Just because they have a preference though, does not mean they will not be satisfied with the other. They love both and are satisfied with both. They are what we call bisexuals with a gender preference.

    A kinsey 1 or 5 views gender like an amazing full rounded meal vs something not so great that they would still eat anyway. If they had the choice, 90% of the time, they would always stick to the full rounded meal. But if they were offered "not so great food" from a relative, they may still eat it (referencing how some make exceptions for a person they love) or if eating crappy prison food was the only option, they'd still eat it (referencing how Kinsey 1's will have sex in prison or same-sex schools just to get laid). Or they may think a food looks attractive, but they know they couldn't live on it because said food doesn't fill them.

    A kinsey 0 or 6 on the other hand, views gender more rigidly. Gender is more comparable to any kind of food they would eat vs "food" that looks completely disgusting to them. To them it's almost like eating out of the garbage can, so it just doesn't come to mind. These are the type of people, who...even when completely starving, will absolutely refuse to take food they view as repulsive. THIS is why these numbers are rare. Because hunger and sex are human urges, it is unfathomable to someone why a person would stay celibate forever if their preferred gender died out, but 0's and 6's would. Sex with the wrong gender is just repulsive to them in all ways possible (and no, I am not saying that the opposite/same sex are repulsive as people to 0's and 6's. This analogy is more about showing how sex/relationships with the other gender just mentally feels wrong to them, in the same way super crappy food will always make certain people uncomfortable or throw up after eating it).
     
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    Thanks for another good post. Think we could write a book on sexuality with the amount of good things people post on here haha
     
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    I don't think everyone's a little bi, but I do think it's possible for people who are 99% of the time attracted to just one sex, to have an exception. But if someone is attracted to the same sex 99% of the time, and has had maybe one or two occasions they were attracted to the opposite sex, it wouldn't really make sense to call them bi, in my mind. And there are definitely people who are just 100% gay or straight.
     
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    If it's not right to erase bisexuality, I don't think it's right to erase monosexuality either.
     
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    I agree with this completely.

    I don't think everyone is bisexual. Sure, you can like one gender and still acknowledge when someone of another gender is attractive, but that doesn't make you bisexual, that just means you can recognize beauty, without being attracted to that person.

    However, I do believe that bisexuality exists on a spectrum, and you can have stronger feelings for one gender over another. But as long as you are attracted to at least two genders, you're bisexual.
     
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    ‘L’appel du vide’.. Yes but not really. Human psychology is complicated. You could also say "everyone's a little xenophobic" that doesn't mean we're all oppressive bigots.
     
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    I wish. But no. Most men like women. Most women like guys. I don't hold onto that false dream shit that everyone is bisexual. Ugh.
     
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    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/13/5-key-findings-about-lgbt-americans/

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...3/the-continuing-controversy-over-bisexuality

    https://www.lehmiller.com/blog/2015/12/31/5-scientific-facts-about-bisexuality

    This is what I found while looking it up, but it's mostly general data. I don't see anything that would suggest the majority is a little bisexual, but at the same time when I read about porn and arousal research it isn't so clear cut either. There is some interesting data that more people are are identifying as bi, but it's still by far a minority. At this point I think it's safe to say, bisexuality is unique to other sexualities and is a minority. With more research we may understand more in the future.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...201605/sexuality-is-much-more-fluid-you-think

    I think sexual fluidity might be what people are actually talking about when it comes "everyone is a little bisexual". It also might better explain how certain cultures had more gay behaviors, why attraction isn't always 100%, why people go through sexuality identity crisis, or maybe why people wrongly think it's a "choice".