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Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Jellyfish Clear, May 11, 2016.

  1. gravechild

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    Thanks but no thanks. Guilt isn't going to undo centuries of colonialism, imperialism, and slavery. You might think every POC is out there to make your lives miserable, but guess what? It's more about trying to survive, and maybe making the world a better place for their children.

    I'm not sure in which ways a white person can be made fun of that hasn't been embraced by white people. Can't dance? Burn easily? Trailer park jokes? Comedians have made a living joking about themselves with these stereotypes! In the end, they're powerless, unlike assuming a person of x race is a terrorist, burden on society, or whatever.

    Personally? I wouldn't choose to be born white. If I were reincarnated, I suppose it wouldn't make a difference, but given the choice, I wouldn't. How can someone, after living their life as a minority (other than maybe a self-hating person)? It might be "fun" to see what it's like for a day, but that's another story.
     
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    Done with this thread. Not even sure why I keep coming back to read the replies, besides curiosity on how others view it.

    And, by the way, comedians do laugh at themselves a lot. But the funny thing is that not everyone in this world is comedian. What the person on stage can laugh off another person can't. So those trailer park jokes, yeah they do effect people. Jokes about our privilege? Yeah, it makes us uncomfortable because their are a number of us who don't won't it. We want everyone to be equal and such things as privilege to be erased all together. But of course no one believes us when we say that because we are just self center monsters.
     
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    University in the 21st century resembles a glorified Tumblr page full of whiny little shits with their made-up labels and acronyms, and self-made victimhood, than it does a place of intellect and academia (although the type of rubbish discussed in 'Gender Studies' is what passes as 'academia' these days). This thread - and certain contributors - epitomise this perfectly.

    If the future of the world lies with these people, then the future doesn't look bright. I think it's true, that people have become dumber, or at least, today's college freshmen are thicker than two short planks so substitute their lack of actual knowledge with 'check your privilege' rants.
     
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  4. Libertino

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    Just watch the video of Melissa Click and BLM protestors accosting a student journalist at the University of Missouri to get a good image of what a lot of universities are like nowadays.

    At the same time, you have to remember that universities have been predominantly liberal for decades now. In the late 60s/early 70s, university students were protesting the Vietnam War and organizing student strikes, and the conservative government viewed them as communist sympathizers who would tear down the very fabric of the nation (to the point where the National Guard open-fired on student protestors in 1970). College is the time when people are at their most progressive, but they tend to mellow out a little once they are out in the working world and away from the bubble that is a university. Once you are forced to deal with the real world, you can't maintain a "Tumblr mindset" for much longer. Hopefully such people will turn their passion for non-issues into passion for real issues, because it's not as if there is no more discrimination to fight against.

    And no offense to the maligning of gender studies, but I think people here greatly exaggerate it. Gender studies is not going to be the undoing of the modern world. I've sat in on a few classes and it seemed fairly harmless to me. No more useless than my useless subject of Philosophy (which I will defend to the death).
     
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    Colleges have always been hotbeds of liberalism - but the thing is, by any conventional definition, I am a liberal. I am firmly to the left on almost everything. The type of people you see populating college campuses today aren't really 'liberal' - they're just nuts. People in the 1960s and 1970s were fighting for real causes. Members of the British National Union of Students who recently decided to abolish representatives for gay men because they are 'too privileged' are just very, very stupid - and potentially dangerous given enough power. Yeah, we have gotten to the stage where even minorities are being discriminated against by other minorities for being 'too privileged'. White lesbians - your time is numbered. They'll be coming after you next. White women have already been accused of 'hijacking' feminism. :lol:
     
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    Oh, I agree that students in the 60s and 70s were fighting for real important causes and there's little comparison to the kinds of things that students of today are "fighting", but I'm just not sure I agree with the "threat" that the modern-day "college liberal" poses. Maybe I'll end up eating those words, who knows, but right now it seems to be as exaggerated as the "problems" they claim to be fighting against. And I agree--by most definitions I'm a leftist as well, but the kind of anti-free speech, victim-fetishizing, safe-space-demanding nutjobs don't appeal to me at all. That said, while they're certainly vocal, I don't know if they're quite as widespread as they're often portrayed. I'm in college right now (as a PhD candidate mind you, but nonetheless) and yes, there are gender studies classes and yes, there is a campus BLM unit, but overall things are fairly calm...the primary situation in which I will view this as an actual threat is if academia is censored on the basis of "triggers" and "safe spaces" and while that is exceedingly rare, it has happened to a small extent here in the U.S., and that is alarming. I doubt the student protestors of the 60s and 70s would've ever called for academic censorship. It was the government that wanted it then--Nixon himself said "the professors are the enemy".

    I don't know much about the situation in Britain, but I have heard of the "BNUS" and their absurd tendencies. Do people actually take them seriously? Or are they viewed as being more of a fringe group?
     
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    Well, they're the only body representing students, so if you're a student, they might be important - and they're not completely terrible, since they do kick up a fuss about things like rising tuition fees and scrapping maintenance grants for poor students.

    If you're not a student though, they're not important. They don't have any significance in political terms anyway. A lot of the time, it really is like a high school debate club, or little children playing grown-up.
     
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    That's sort of what I figured--doesn't excuse their exclusionary behavior though. That said, I'm sure if gay men cared enough to be a part of that organization, they could make it happen, but I don't know if it'd be worth it. I certainly would want nothing to do with them after that.

    The thing is, telling people they're "privileged" doesn't do anything except alienate the people you are labeling. It doesn't matter even if it's technically true by whatever standard you use to gauge "privilege", it serves no benefit whatsoever. If you want people from "privileged" groups to be on your side and fight against the discrimination you are against, then calling them "privileged" isn't the way to do it. It's almost as if the attitude is "I want everyone to agree with me, but I don't want everyone to have a voice". How is that progressive?

    Anyway, that's my rant.
     
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    ^^ personally, I'm not really bothered. I have no desire to be represented by them. They're not my 'allies' and never will be.
     
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    I think the term is reverse racism. I used to experience it in my workplace. My managers were Chinese and Indian. They'd give people of the same nationality preferential treatment. They'd rant about how white people were inferior and didn't work as hard (I'd like to put out there that the Chinese/Indian employees were allowed to stand around doing nothing all shift, while I barely got my breaks). They'd complain they had to hire whites. They'd give extra hours to them, and they'd reach management and higher pay rates faster.

    Yes, racism against whites exists - it may be uncommon, but it definitely is there.
     
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    Before I say one quick thing I just feel the need to say this first:

    THIS THREAD IS PURE TUMBLR PUKE.

    Like seriously why the heck do I keep checking to see if anyone said something smart?
    And then this comes along....

    So.

    I'm gonna be honest here...

    Most of what I know about this whole liberal mess in colleges comes from watching politically independent youtubers rant about it for 20 minutes, and clicking their links to their evidence. And I've got to say, they've got a pretty strong case against these SJW types. A very strong case, no like seriously, they have a point. Gooooood ones, that are grounded in reality to the point, that, you must be a complete idealogue and brainwashed to not see through this bullshit, seriously. I support their cause for the most part, to suspend courses that teach unacademic things in universities, until they can be fixed for the better.

    However they make it sound very scary. Almost like these people are taking over the world or something. I mean, they could be right, since they have the support of the liberal government, and a lot of them support the direct discrimination white people, and communism. With that in mind, it's pretty fucking scary these are our world leaders, in the future.

    But then I hear people in university, like libertine who say it's actually not that a big of a deal. And then I get confused...so is it or not please clarify. I make a lot of angry posts about this, but I'm just a teen who got my info about this through live videos of people protesting violently. Also, i think gender studies is actually terrible, because unlike philosophy, you don't get to think. You just sit in a room and get indoctrinated into stupid intersectional feminism, if you're very gullible, or so I've heard, but what do I really know?
     
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    I'm actually confused by people talking about university and protesting SJW (maybe i'm just reading those posts wrong)
    I mean we have a university the next town over and have never heard of any of those things. In fact none of my college friends talk about anything mention in the above posts. Most of them just talk about the stress of paying tuition and one about meeting deadlines for their theatre classes as well as getting customs made for school play.
     
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    The live videos are just another form of the media. What does the media do? It selectively shows you certain images and videos to support the agenda being pushed. In this case, the agenda is "college campuses are wrought with intolerant SJWs who censor free speech". Now, the videos are not made up: there are angry protests that get out of hand, there are leftist extremists who advocate the censoring of certain opinions, and there are SJWs with extreme views. But that does not mean that such videos are indicative of a prevailing climate across many or most college campuses. There are always going to be radicals anywhere you look, and college is a time when people can vent their radical views (after which, most tend to calm down). I can't speak for every college, but I've attended two and visited countless others and I've never encountered the kind of rabid SJW-culture that the anti-SJW YouTube community would have you believe in infesting our nation's universities.

    Again with gender studies (it was called "women's studies" at one of the colleges I attended)--it probably varies from college to college. In the classes I audited, we learned the history of feminism, the history of queer activism, transgender movements, etc. It did not consist of being told "all men are rapists" or some bullshit like that. I also have taken Native American studies and Chicano Studies, none of which advocated any kind of racism against white people. Though certainly the NAS class focused on the oppressive policies of the U.S. (in this case also Canadian) governments against indigenous peoples.

    Furthermore, it's highly rash to start advocating the suspending of certain classes: isn't the whole proposition against SJWs that they are advocating censorship? Calling for the suspension of classes is really just another brand of censorship. No one is forced to take these classes. It isn't really up to YouTubers to determine what is "unacademic". Each class would have to be evaluated on an individual basis. As soon as we start suspending classes that we don't like, we cross into the realm of academic censorship and that is dangerous territory.

    That said, no class is allowed to preach racism, hatred, or intolerance, so if a class is doing so, then they obviously should be questioned. I should add though that communism is just another ideology, and people have every right to support it if they want. And yes, I am someone who's been in university studies for 7 years, currently working toward a PhD with the goal of some day being a professor (and I currently am employed in academia). So this is...sort of my thing. I'm just speaking from my own experiences in the academic world--that's all I can do.
     
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    I think it depends of location. Whites may have "power" in western countries, but I think one can make a fair argument that people in, for example, Asia can hate white people and think they're superior to white people.
     
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    Eh, people in Asia think white westerners have money. There's not the whole colonial-subject relation going on, either. Many are pretty clueless, honestly, and will take pictures with you since it's more of a rarity.

    Ethnocentrism, definitely. It boggles my mind how many Western Europeans can get along after WWII, when China, Japan, and Korea are probably closer, culturally and genetically, yet treat one another as they would someone across the Pacific Ocean :confused: You don't see their royal families mixing to the same extent, if at all, and a few are proud to have dynasties or civilizations that go back thousands of years.

    Some countries have a strange Anglophilia going on, no doubt to England's influence, and now the US. Apparently, Jews are admired for being successful and prizing education. So I'd say ignorant and misinformed, but not often hostile.
     
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    Don't know why I see a parallel here between accepting homosexuality and lesbian fetishism. Many countries do have that "anglophilia" thing going on, but it doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't treat you differently.
     
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    I think this should be one of those topics that we all just agree to disagree on, and then move on with our lives.
     
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    Well, the difference is that men have power over women, and lesbians especially have been ignored even within the gay rights movement. That's why you had things like radical lesbian feminism, and what not. The mainstream feminists thought the "lavender menace" gave them a bad name and scared people.

    Were East Asians ever colonists over European countries? No, but the reverse can be said, even if not outright (unfair trade treaties, for example). Obviously, many immigrants see something special about western countries, or else so many wouldn't be living in places like Australia, England, and the US!

    But with East Asian countries, many which are homogeneous, your average citizen probably hasn't had much contact with westerners. I don't see admiring another culture, or having a curiosity, as the same thing as fetishism. It's not the same as straight men going, "Lol, I'm a lesbian too!" or asking for threesomes, at all.

    No, because shrugging one's shoulders and pretending a problem doesn't exist is just as bad as actively engaging in it.
     
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    My brain is a little fried since I just finished an assignment I've been working on for several days straight pretty much... but... I don't really understand where feminism or colonialism came into the argument. Anyway, I won't argue, since I was just pointing out an observation that is my opinion, but your use of "strange anglophilia" suggests far more than simple curiosity/admiration.
     
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