LGBT News Brewer Vetoes SB 1062

Good!

 

She knew this one was bad, but she signed another one before allowing racial profiling. Quite inconsistent.

Arizona SB 1070 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

it sickens me that this was a valid argument. While they were at it, why don't they legalize slaves for "religious freedom". I am glad they got so much pressure from companies over this.

 

2 victories in a day!! YAY!!

 

Forgive me if I am wrong... But don't we value separation of church and state? And I'm pretty sure our religious freedoms on a country level only apply so long as they don't interfere with other's rights?
Maybe I should get into politics lol

 

yes but the first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
and the statute of religious freedoms
"[N]o man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."
meaning that religious freedom until it violates the rights of others

 

I still think that Arizona should be made to feel the pain of this. Remember, representative democracy is at least approximately representative. Meaning, a substantial minority of the people of Arizona, whether this measure got vetoed or not, still support the basic sentiment behind this bill. I don't claim there is broad support for anti-queer discrimination there. It is a state with a moral forte and foible like all the others. But I do think there is broad misunderstanding in Arizona of what a free society looks like.

For all the libertarian crocodile tears shed about freedom of association, one of the things that has to be remembered here is that everybody else has it too. So if you're going to use freedom for hatred, others will use it for love and to much greater effecct. If you want to exercise your freedom of association not to serve queer folks because it offends your religious sensibilities, you are still taking an authoritarian stance. And in doing so, you invite the retaliation of free thinking people who find the hatred that position represents to be abhorrent. Indeed, many corporations made threats of capital flight, refusing to open new ventures in the state, and pointed out that now queer folks will be looking to move and work elsewhere.

The libertarians know that freedom can be a legitimate weapon. The problem, as with all uses of weapons, is that you have to deal with the fallout.

I really hope that the rest of the nation doesn't just sit back all complacent and go "pheew, we dodged that bullet." No, we're dealing with the same bigoted state with its strong minority of toxic inhabitants who need to be taught a harsh lesson.

 

Pret Allez, we aren't the only state with a vocal minority about these stupid discrimination bills. Arizona wasn't the first (and probably won't be the last) to shove a bill out like this. Everywhere else it got shot down a little faster, yes, but it still happened and there was still plenty of support for it. Unfortunately.

I'm just thankful she did what was right.

 

This is good news for the Republican Party.

 

Not to put a damper in the parade, but this bill went down party lines and was partisan. Not a single democrat voted for it, all republicans voted for it. I also get the feeling that if no pressure was out on Brewer she would have signed it. She hasn't really been a defender of gay rights in the past.

This is a step forward yes, but the GOP needs about 50 more steps to be equal to the Democrats on the issue of equality.

 

Just read about this on BBC news website. It was an incredibly perverse idea and you must be greatly relieved if you live, or spend a lot of time in Arizona.

The fact that this made news headlines across the Atlantic on BBC tells you something (the world was watching).

 

Yes, but nationally voters will likely remember a Republican governor vetoing this bill more than unknown legislators passing it. That's what will be more significant.

It certainly beats the alternative for the party.

 

I was expecting her to veto this on the basis that she has vetoed similer such bills in the past.

 

Brewer vetoed for political gain and not having to defend lawsuits that they would lose.
The sad part is the hateful people that authored the bill get a free pass politically

 

Yeah, probably not.

Brewer is in her last term as governor, and it's not like she's a presidential candidate. So it's a stretch to say that she did it for political gain...

 

I'm so glad she vetoed the horrible bill. The pro-discrimination side really needs to shut the :***: up and stop playing the spoiled brat and live in peace with everyone.