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Unsure of my Gender Identity and I need help please?

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    So I feel at the end of my rope, my friends are pretty much almost all LGBTQ, but none of them believe me that I have gender dysphoria, and even my psychiatrist I recently stopped seeing didn't believe me due to no pronouns feeling right or correct for me.

    I'm biologically female, and I'm very curvy, but I hate it. I always wanted a slimmer, smaller frame. I want a more masculine or tomboy-ish body naturally, I always did, having larger breasts I was bullied constantly for as a kid and I hated them ever since. I always wanted to be as smart and as strong as the guys in my classes, I hated being considered one of the girls, but I was always informed of how weak I was, how I cannot overpower a man, how I should just do what I'm supposed to do if a guy forces himself on me of mugs me, and it just made me realize that I can't be the way I want as a woman, and that I'm probably not a woman deep down.

    For the past year, I felt like I had this void or odd magnetic lack of something on my crotch, like I was missing something. it recently slowly went away, but the constant thought and feeling that I was missing anatomical parts of my body never did (those thoughts have been with me for years and years, and no one to this day knows). I essentially realized that, at one point, I might be trans, but I don't want to be a man. It was confusing to me. When I tried explaining these feelings to my friends, they questioned me, and I backpedaled and just said I was intergender. Another friend then took the opportunity to come out as trans, which is fine, but they accepted her with open arms and always called her with the proper pronouns and name. I gave a name and pronouns that I thought I wanted, and they always forgot, couldn't remember to use it, and it made me hate the name that I chose. My trans friend started demanding a name and pronoun from me, to know what my gender is, and started screaming at me because I make her uncomfortable talking about me to her other friends because she doesn't know what to call me. My other friends call me emotionally draining, and state they think I have autism, or BPD and that I clearly don't have gender dysphoria because no pronouns work and I still, to this day, won't give them a name or anything.

    I tried to be called Trans-Nonbinary, then Agender, then Bigender, but they all just made me feel worse. But now, I finally know what I feel, but there's no actual label I can find that seems to show or explain who I am, and it's upsetting to me. I feel like I should have been born intersex, that I should have XX/XY chromosomes, that I will absolutely go through surgical requirements to have cadaver genitalia attached to me so I can feel like I'm actually both sexes. I don't feel bigender, pangender, agender, ambigender, androgyne, every nonbinary gender makes my dysphoria feel so much worse and I spiral. My brain and soul truly feel like they're both, and my body is the only thing that isn't. The only way I could actually explain this to my gender therapist without her getting confused was by telling her the mythos of Hermaphriditos, the son of Hermes and Aphrodite that was fused with a female nymph. I'm considering maybe I'm a xenogender of some kind but I have no clue...

    Ironically, I'm pagan and two of the gods I worship are shapeshifters, the Morrigan and Loki, both of them calm me down when I wear their beads when I get much worse about this. If I could shapeshift to have both naturally like a slug or a frog, that would be a dream come true.
     
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    Welcome to EC. I am sorry that you are having so much difficulty finding the right name, pronouns and label.

    Sadly, just because someone is part of the "alphabet" community does not mean that they will be understanding. Also sadly, there are psychiatric professionals who are not that much help.

    I am trying to unpack all of what you have presented, some of it I do not really understand while other parts I do have ideas about. I will try to just take them in the order you presented. I hope that I am able to help, please take what I say in the helpful spirit which is intended.

    Unfortunately we do not get to choose the body that we are born into, this was difficult for me as well. We can through medicine and some other things adjust how we live and present but we do have to accept the physiological limitations.

    Males are not inherently more intelligent that females, there are social factors which encourage them more in certain fields and that hold back females but this is not programmed in at birth.
    Even some males are weaker, I was assigned male at birth and I am a little smaller than the average woman in the USA. I was bullied a great deal as a child and have been assaulted several times as an adult. A different birth assignment would not guarantee a stronger body. Also, self defense classes can help, redirecting is better than overpowering.

    It can be problematic for other people while we are working on self discovery. Especially if we do not fit into one of the "normal" "simple" categories. If we have to try out different labels and such that can frustrate them. It is not fair but most people do want things to be easy and to fit into simple categories.
    It is very unfortunate that your friend reacted so badly, could you try explaining to her that she has hurt you badly by her reaction?
    The whole last sentence makes me think that you should look for a more understanding circle of friends.
    As an aside, Intergender is a gender identity which is more appropriate for people diagnosed with differences of sex development (Intersex). This might be a part of their difficulties.

    Unfortunately as I mentioned above we do not get to choose our physiology. I also do not think that what you are proposing is practical or maybe even possible. It would be more productive for you to try to work within the framework of what can be done. I say this as someone who has somewhat similar difficulties with my own identity and biology.

    I think that with this what you need is to find a more understanding therapist and try to work through it. I do know that there are many people who feel in their brain and soul that they are both, for most those labels that you listed do actually work for that. I am not a professional and I cannot be sure but I think that a part of your problem is really based in how much you seem to despise the body that you have, unfortunately we do not have a way of transferring bodies (wouldn't that be nice?). As such the only thing that you can do is to work on accepting the "cards you were dealt" in life. If you can accept the baseline maybe you will be able to work from there and at some point if needed medically transition to a presentation which will work better for you.

    I hope that you are able to find some peace.
     
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    I did explain that it hurt my feelings how she reacted, and she just got angrier and doubled down. It's unfortunate but every person I've met in life just tends to not really accept me for me, and I end up being servile in every role so I can take care of everyone and make them happy while no one takes care of me. I'm hoping, once the pandemic is over and quarantine is up where I live, I sit my friends down personally and tell them what they're doing to me is wrong and that I genuinely just want the same love and support that I give them and that they give each other (I've cried to myself a lot most days about this).

    I know I can't really fix myself physically, but I really can't explain it other than no nonbinary gender fits me or makes me comfortable, and every label I try just makes me feel worse. I've even tried asking on other LGBT forums on Quora and mods hid my question or people would simply reiterate what intersex is (which I know what it is, I've taken genetics for my degree and I know everything about chromosomal and hormonal differences in things). I know my trauma and life can be making me not like myself, but I know I don't want to fully become the opposite gender, nor do I want to look androgynous. I simply just want to be, well, me. I want to be physically both, but it's impossible. If there were a way to surgically graft via cadaver parts and not remove my own existing organs excluding my uterus, then I would be thrilled.

    It's why I'm wondering what other concepts could be out there that I might be missing that I haven't tried.

    This isn't something new; I'm used to having this happen even in other aspects of life. I have MDD (major depressive disorder), and therapy makes it worse along with meds. My headaches are things I have to ride out as well because medication doesn't work either. I gain weight constantly even if I do fastings and my bloodwork and thyroid are perfectly fine and nobody can figure out why. I'm just a constant outlier, and I hate it. Nobody seems to believe me when I tell them something, and when I show them or prove to them what I'm going through, it's always something that can't be fixed or there's nothing that can be done for it and I get "oh well, have you tried just taking a deep breath and taking it one day at a time?"
     
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    While I do not believe in a "higher power" or a superior/supreme being I have found that the Serenity Prayer has a good philosophy on this sort of thing.

    I am sorry that you are going through this, I had migraines from the time I started puberty at 12 until in my 40s. It took seeing many specialists and being told repeatedly to "just live with it". I have them mostly under control with diet and lifestyle changes, which I had to explore and discover on my own.

    Most depression and anxiety medications have weight gain as a side effect. If you have to stay on those medications then it is likely that being heavy is just another one of the things that you cannot change. Also, you cannot permanently lose weight using fasting, it always comes back once the fast is over and usually you gain more than you lost. Healthy weight loss can only be achieved through lifestyle changes including increased activity and reduced caloric intake, this might not be possible though on the medications.

    I completely empathize with you on this. I also seem to be several standard deviations off of the norm in most things.

    I believe you. A deep breath is not enough. It has taken me years of work to learn to accept everything that I have been though either by being born the way that I have or the things that other people have put me through. Even now I still have troubles accepting but things are better. I have used meditation and mindfulness training, it is a great deal of work and it is not a "quick fix" but they together have helped me. (I am in my late 50s and still working on it).
     
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    When I began to read this thread, your opening comments jumped out at me and I wonder what you mean when you say you feel at the end of your rope? It sounds very serious and we would like to help and support you.

    Much of what @QuietPeace wrote above makes good sense and it would be good to use this thread to work through some of your thoughts and feelings and try to arrive at a place of greater clarity. It sounds like your friends and professionals are struggling to understand because you don't fit into a neat pigeon hole and when that happens and we can feel totally alone and rather overwhelmed. I'm not saying we will immediately "get it" either, but you can tell us if/when that's the case. We're not going to close you down when you are seeking understanding and support.

    Maybe writing things out a little in this thread will give you the basis of a conversation starter with your friends post quarantine.
     
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    Sorry, I guess I'm bad at wording things.

    I talked more to my gender therapist and she said that I have to coin my own term because of how I feel since there's nothing out there for me at the moment.

    I guess the best way I can describe it is that I feel gender dysphoria and don't want to be female biologically, but I also have this thing I call "chromosomal dysphoria", where I feel like I should have been born with XX/XY mosaicism and I'm trapped in the wrong body just as XX. if I could change my genetic makeup as a zygote, I would. I would love to transition, but I know it would not make me feel better and I would still feel like I'm lying to myself.

    My dysphoria is confusing, I don't know what gender I am, it has no words to describe it. I'm not feminine, I don't feel masculine, I don't feel like I'm nothing or in between or fluid or anything like that. I just feel like a complete monster or creature that really wants to be a human.
     
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    I cannot be certain of it but I do think that I have understood what you are saying. The difficulty is more in what you need rather than in how you are talking about it.

    You are not a monster, you are a person but sadly an unhappy one. Unfortunately what you are seeking is impossible. To continue to live your life "needing" the impossible is not just a recipe for unhappiness but a recipe for misery. Normal medical transition (HRT and if desired certain surgeries) is very difficult but to change who one was originally born as would mean restructuring history or the universe which cannot be done outside of fiction. I think that the only way for you to be content with life is to seek out therapy specifically to work with accepting the reality that you have to work within. I do not say this lightly, it is something that I have had to work on myself. For much of my life I wished that I had been born different in many ways and I know from experience that it only leads to unhappiness.
     
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    I've tried therapy, no therapist will take me anymore due to being resistant to all forms of treatment and psychiatric medication. I've tried IOP, group, art therapy, Hollistic, outpatient, DBT, CBT, Psychodynamic, I'm currently waiting on a second appeal for TMS treatment to be hopefully covered by insurance. The only therapist I am seeing still is my gender therapist, and she doesn't know what to do either.
     
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    I am sorry that the situation has devolved that way. I have had some similar problems to yours. I found that working on accepting the reality of my life was the only way that I could get any peace. For me working on my own with meditation and mindfulness training has been a great deal of help.
     
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    I can't meditate, it causes breakdowns for me or I just can't relax and stress out more. I accept the real world and know what I want is impossible, it just all makes me feel worse.

    Sorry I shouldn't say this stuff. I'll get back on topic.

    I looked into Salmacian, and it's almost right but not exactly. I still have to find a way to coin a term for how I feel, but it's very difficult.
     
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    You are finding it hard to clearly describe/define where things are for you in terms of gender, but I wonder if you could draw it. Do you have a picture in your mind? Sometimes it is easier to draw, or bring together a drawing than it is to find words. With a clear picture it might be easier to find the words that fit and begin to break the cycle, with the help of your gender therapist. Just beware of taking up labels that originate in online communities because they can add to confusion, anxiety and distress. When nothing seems to fit, it's better to avoid ideas and concepts that lack depth or quality.

    When you say you are resistant to therapy can I just clarify what you mean... are you saying that you are resisting the process or that the process has failed to help you, or could it be a combination of both? Would be worth knowing because therapy is normally a very important part of the process.
     
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    I actually was told to draw a character that could represent me since I play DnD and I want to do character design, but I can't put what I feel into drawing either since I can't exactly figure out what I should look like or how I should be portrayed, what body type I should have, what would be most appealing, and so on. I don't know what to draw, I never do when it comes to drawing something involving myself or how I feel. It's why I didn't do well in art therapy, I just stared at the paper and got angrier and angrier at myself because nothing was coming out of my head. The characters I currently have aren't things I want to see as parts of me, they're independent creatures that have small reflections of me in them, but they're all their own real people in my head and world, and I won't cling to them as they weren't that originally.

    As for why I'm resistant to therapy, I mean that therapy worsens my condition. Whenever I would try coping skills and actively participate in therapy, my depression and anxiety would continuously get worse with no sign of improvement no matter how much time would pass. I want to get better, I truly do, but it would always make me worse, and therapists always end up dropping me when they see that I'm worsening in comparison to the other patients or I'm considered "too complex a case for them". I've tried multiple forms and I'm now considered resistant, so I have to look into ECT, TMS, Ketamine infusions, more experimental forms of treatment.
     
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    And that's okay. People come in all shapes and sizes.

    But geez, there is a lot of nonbinary earasure and you had to face it with so many people. I'm not sure how to help, it's awful.

    It's no wonder your depression worsens if therapists invalidate you. To hell with such therapy. Therapists are just human and they can be as bigoted and as stupid as the rest of us.
     
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    Thank you, I'm glad that I feel more valid on here than on the other sites and when talking to my friends and previous therapists. I have been constantly told that I don't exist and finally getting told that I do, it feels like I can breathe for the first time in my life. Thank you for that, everyone.

    I'm going to have to venture forth and make a label of my own, but I already am talking about what I feel in two different ways to help explain how it feels to others. I tell them about gender dysphoria, but also about what I call "chromosomal dysphoria", which is the closest thing I can describe the feeling I have about my body. It's where my brain specifically is telling me I need to be a certain karyotype, but my body isn't, and I cannot change that (obviously), so it's always weighing on me. It's like...it's like when you see those video interviews about those people who feel deep down that they were supposed to be born a different race or that they're not human and are surgically trying to make themselves look nonhuman. It's something more biologically connected in my brain that's correlating to my gender dysphoria, but it's a separate issue I have to tackle.

    As for the character idea, I cannot draw them still, but I do have two concepts that I could play with to show what I feel like I am. They're two entities, I can't merge them for some reason. I just need to figure out how to draw them first, but once I do I will post them!
     
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    I think that you are going at this problem in the wrong way and even thinking about it in the wrong way. It is not that your brain is telling you the wrong things, if it were just a chemical thing then you would be able to take a medication and it would go away, the same way that medications can work on depression, anxiety, hallucinations and other issues. This is not a chemical thing though, it is an emotional thing, you have a mindset that you will only be happy if reality were different and that cannot happen. None of us have the choice to change the laws of reality. If what we want is a different reality then we will always be miserable because reality is not going to change just for us.

    You may be thinking that I do not understand where you are coming from but I do. I have wished for similar things as you are wishing for, though not wishing for the same karyotype that you are. You have been resistant to therapy because you think that the therapists job is to validate your wishes but that is not a therapists job. Their job is to outfit you to live within the realities that exist. If your condition were such that you wanted to be born with wings the therapist would have to get you to accept that you are never going to have wings. In a similar vein your therapists job here was to get you to accept that you are whatever karyotype that you are but you do not accept that. I know that you said above that you have accepted it but until you are at peace with how you were born then you have not really accepted it.

    As far as communicating to others what you wish for. From what you have said here it appears to me that what you wish for is to have been born with 5-alpha reductase deficiency and to have been allowed to develop naturally at puberty. The thing is that even were you to have been born that way the odds of you being allowed to develop without any surgical intervention are practically nil. So even if you had gotten what you think you want you would not have gotten what you want. Give that you would be unhappy even if you were born the way you wish that you had been it is just so much easier if you learned to accept the reality that you live in.

    If you really are stuck on having to be the way you want to be maybe you could become Buddhist. Then you could just put that energy towards believing that it will come true in your next life and learn to be at least content in this life.
     
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    So I think what I'm saying is getting lost in translation, and I apologize for that as I am hard at explaining stuff. I don't go to therapy hoping people will validate what I feel, I never want these feelings validated. I know my depression is unhealthy, and I need to develop coping skills that can properly guide me through life and dull the feelings of it whenever it spikes. However, for some reason, using coping skills and trying different forms of talk therapy never worked for me. I would be open and honest with how I felt, I always implemented what advice they gave me and knew that this should help me and make me feel better, but it always made me decline in mental health. There was no rhyme or reason behind it until someone diagnosed me as "Treatment Resistant", meaning normal methods of treating depression just don't work, and affect a small percentage of people with depression. Seeing as how my body reacts poorly to psych medication, and my mother has the same issue as me so it's genetic in that regard.

    I'm currently seeking out different forms of therapy like TMS, Ketamine, ECT, etc. To help with this chronic issue. Like I said, I don't want these feelings validated, I want to be told I'm wrong by therapists and I want them to give me the advice needed to better myself. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work for me it seems,and the same can be said with my mom so I think it runs in the family somewhat.

    I know what my gender dysphoria feels like, but this is something that's separate and I am able to pin point it, which I am finding relief that I can figure that out in my head. I know surgery can never give me what I want so there's no point in trying, so I'm looking into if there's a way to do cadaver transplants while saving what I already have. They can do it on cis-men, they're about to do it on the first transman, I want to see if there are possible options there. If not then it's fine, I can give up on that end.

    And, as for the religion part, that felt a bit rude to me, no offense I hope! It's just that religion has been persistently forced on me my entire life and still is, and I'm content as a pagan. I worship my gods, I love my deities and I hope they love me too.
     
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    Okay! I was able to finally draw the two characters that I feel represent what I personally feel I'm going through with my gender issues, and I think they turned out okay. I finished up my quarter in school, so I was able to focus entirely on this so I think that helped. I wrote what each one represents too, one being more on the physical/biological sex aspect for me, the other being more subjective gender aspect.

    Sorry if it's low quality, the JPEG I was trying to upload was too big a file, so I had to reduce the resolution :/
     

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    I recently started seeking more info on gender and sexuallity for myself, which is how I came across Empty Closets and your posts. After reading what you and others have written, as well as, seing your drawing, I feel a certain kinship. I too am an overweight female that has never felt comfortable in my own body, nor with society's limiting gender roles.

    I recently read, "The Body is Not an Apology," by Sonya Renee Taylor. Her book helped give me some perspective on the world, society, and myself in relation to others. Perhaps it will help you as well.

    For me what I'm coming to realize is that we are both physical and spiritual beings. And as such we can often feel limited by the physical world, we are so much more than our bodies. And I believe that no one can truly define who we are with lables, names, and terms. We are who we are, nothing more and nothing less.

    Rather than focus on changing your body, maybe it would be helpful to work on changing the way you think about yourself. And as Sonya recommends in her book, practice self love, which goes beyond mere acceptance. Hope this helps.
     
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    @Cape.....Hello and a great big LGBTQ+ welcome to Empty Closets! :old_smile: I saw that you just joined and I wanted to say Hello! There are a number of sub-forums here on EC...why don't you check them out and then feel free to join in the conversations! (actually I see that you already have!!) We will do our best to be a support and a place to vent when you need it! :old_big_grin: We are so glad that you have found us here on EC!
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    Let me drop a few ideas what is going on:
    - your therapist and you aren't in synch, what they are saying doesn't reach you
    - moreover, it produces a sense of guilt or anxiety - the question is why? What wpuld the therpaist need to do to not invoke that kind of feelings in you? Or what personality trait of the therapist should be different?
    - maybe you're overwhelmed, have pressure and negative emotions in other areas of life as well as therapy
    - maybe you need time and space to work through your feelings and your therapist wants to rush things
    - maybe you don't communicate that you need more time and space
    - maybe you don't really talk about your feelings , don't open up for real in therapy. In such a case, free associations might be a helpful method. Again - it might take time until you get to a point when you can really work with your feelings. You might think you are talking about how you feel, but be wrong about it, because it's impossible to know you are not opening up if you don't know how to do it.