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My Parents don't understand the term "Non-binary".

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  1. PlutoTheOpposum

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    Aah, hello. I'm pretty new to this site, so it feels kinda wrong to vent, but I figure I ask other people who are *maybe* like me? Basically, my parents had found out I was non-binary. I accidentally left my notebook/diary in an accessible place, and they read it. They brought it up to me, and I tried to explain that yes, I was non-binary. I had written about my gender dysphoria (AFAB, and I'm very female-passing) and they said that "no, you don't have gender dysphria." They said it's not something you just get, whilst completely disregarding all the hints I've shown up to that point.
    I also brought up top surgery and cutting my hair in my notebook, and they asked about this. My mom told me she would not let me cut my hair because "there are certain hairstyles big people just should not have". And as for the top surgery, she completely disregarded EVERYTHING serious I said about it and instead focused on the joke I made, (Basically I just said it'd help me lose a few pounds, but I really didn't mean that as my sole purpose.) I had even said that I want a binder to look more enby-passing. She brought that up in the car and told me she refuses to get me one.
    She asked me why I think I'm non-binary (which is a fair question, to be honest, but it was hard for me to answer.) I said I don't feel like a girl, and I want to be more like a boy. (That was my wording, which was really bad i know) and she responded with "Well you don't even know what being a boy is like, so why would you want to be one?"
    Idk, they also tried to group they/them pronouns with neopronouns. I have no problem with neopronouns but my parents were acting like they're the exact same thing, and they said the whole pronouns thing is just stupid.
    (sorry about this long rant)


    What I want to ask is if I should come out to them again. The whole conversation happened probably a month or two ago, but I'm not sure if they'd have changed their opinions. Right now, I'm kinda falling back and I seriously think not being able to express my gender is part of that. If I come out to them, and they don't let me cut my hair or get a binder, what should I do? I'm 14, by the way.
     
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    Pluto.....Hello and a great big LGBTQIA+ welcome to Empty Closets! :old_smile: I can remember the first post that I made on EC. I was desperate for help and I got the help that night that I so needed. I hope that we can help you in the same way that I received help. The most important thing to remember about Empty Closets is that we do care about you! We're very glad that you found us here on EC and hope that we can answer questions, give you support and provide a place to vent (as long as it's not violent!) :old_big_grin: when that becomes necessary!

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    Pluto.....Coming out can be wonderful and terrible. Occasionally at the same time! It seems to me that you have already basically come out to your parents. However, I'd like to share with you some information that I send to people, especially young people who are thinking about to their parents, I hope it will help! :old_smile:

    *****Come out when YOU are ready. Don't let anyone push you into it if you are not at the place where coming out is right for you.

    *****Don't come out if there is a real chance that you will be in danger. That includes being kicked out of your house, having no way to support yourself, having all privileges (phone, computer, friends, etc.) taken away, being verbally or emotionally abused as well as the danger of physical abuse. Waiting can be very difficult, but your safety and emotional well-being are more important. You are 14 years old...there is a long time until you are an adult. Even though waiting might be really difficult, living in a house where there is constant conflict because you came out and your parents did not accept it could easily be much worse. You have to make the decision and in many cases waiting for a while until you will be taken more seriously is a much better choice. I'm not saying that you have to wait, I just think that you should give it serious consideration. A lot depends on how you think your parents will handle your revelation.

    *****Being out in middle school/high school is easier now than it used to be...but depending on your school and your relationship with other students, it can still be a problem. Try to evaluate these things and see what you seriously think about the results of coming out would be. Sometimes waiting...even when it is so difficult...is the only safe way to come out.

    *****You might want to consider using a letter WHEN the time comes to tell your parents. A big plus to a letter is that you don't have to be present when the letter is read. That can be a very big help as it eliminates the potential face-to-face confrontation that can sometimes be difficult. Coming out in writing means you will not be interrupted or face a barrage of questions that you need to answer immediately, in the heat of the moment. You get time and they get time too and that counts for a lot. It gives the people reading the letter some time to think before they talk to you. After all, you've had time to think about your sexuality, perhaps for years…giving them at least some time to think about it too only seems fair! There are some great sample coming out letters here on Empty Closets that could be a big help to you. Even if you don't eventually use the letter, taking time to think about it and to write one will help you to be sure to say what you need to say and leave out the rest! You can then use the letter as a "script" for when you do come out face-to-face. Check out the letters (see below)...they could be a real help!

    *****Also...when you do come out, whether it's tomorrow or a year from now, your parents and/or friends will probably have questions. Take some time now to think about what those questions might be. Such as; "How do you know you're NB?" or "How long have you felt this way?" etc. The questions themselves will vary a great deal dependent upon your family and friends...so take that into consideration. If you work up a list of five or six probable questions with the answers already planned, you will likely be perceived as a more mature, serious person.

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    Hello, thank you for your reply and the warm welcome...!!! I really appreciate it <3 // So I wanted to say a few things;
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    My parents already took this stuff away. There isn't any real risk here because I haven't had a phone/laptop for a long time. (As for how I'm on here; desperate times- I'm on my school chromebook :frowning2: ) I'm not sure what else they could try to hold against me besides just making jokes and stuff about it (not... mean ones per se. I'm just really sensitive.)
    Secondly,
    I don't really know if this will work. Knowing my parents, they are very confrontational and will most likely call me down and talk to me about it. This is not an issue usually, but I'm REALLY bad with confrontation, and shut down easily if not given time to process/plan. Idk, does that make sense?

    Besides that, those are some really nice advice... tysm!! I'm also very relieved, because I wasn't sure if this was an 18+ forum and I didn't want to be kicked from yet another community for being too young ;w; // Have a nice night <33!!!

    >Also, update; I asked my mom *again* if I can cut my hair short and she said it'd look stupid. It's so hard trying to explain that it's MY hair and MY body lmao.
     
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    Pluto.....I know it's difficult now, but you need to remember that time is on your side. Even if you have to wait until you're old enough to be on your own, the time will come when the choice will be yours and yours only.
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    Hi Pluto, I'm not saying they're right but it may be worth trying to look at things from your parents' point of view.

    Your parents are probably in their...40s, perhaps? Or older? In other words they've been around since the 1980s. I think I first heard the term 'non-binary' in 2017. So if you think about it, it's only been in the cultural ether for a very small proportion of their whole lives. Certainly compared to yours - it's been part of yours for nearly half your life.

    Time is relative, you see.

    I think a lot of older people find it hard to get their heads around the whole concept of non-binary *. For them it-just-does-not-compute. And when you add pronouns into this - they really struggle with the whole 'they/them' thing.

    So...cut them a bit of slack, I'd say. They probably think this is just a 'phase'.

    Quebec gives some good advice. Given that you're 14 and going to be dependent on them for quite a while yet, I would kind of lie low for a while with them regarding your gender. As long as you have friends who accept you for being you and can be yourself around them...then you play the dutiful daughter when you want to be. It might make for a quieter, less stressful life at home.

    It would mean leading a double life of sorts, but so many of us are in the same boat, having to edit ourselves or lie low for our own safety.

    Good luck though.

    Beth xx

    * I have to be honest, as a very binary trans person, sometimes I struggle with it! Having thought about it I think it's the word 'non' sounding so much like 'none' or nothing. It sounds like a negation of something rather than a positive thing. If people explain to me they're genderfluid I find it much easier to get my head around it.
     
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    What does non binary mean to you ?
     
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    Honestly, I view it as not wanting to be too feminine OR masculine. I think it depends on the person, but that's what it means for me. I personally hate she/her pronouns, at least for myself, because it feels like it's leaving out a huge part of me... that probably doesn't make sense, im sorry
     
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    Totally getc
    Totally get what your saying
     
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    Alot of people don't seem to understand Non Binary
     
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    This is very well said (about how longer life spans change one's perspective about new things). I have had a very similar journey, being in my mid-50s. It took me a while to grapple with the nonbinary label, which I fully accept now - even though I readily embrace transgender people from the very beginning of my gender awakening as a gay man 40 years ago.

    Unlike gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and trans, nonbinary people appear to negate gender entirely. It's like when scientists theorize that time and space are illusions, and reality is just a simulation... ordinary folk just think, whaaat ??

    But you DON'T need your parents' validation to nurture pride in yourself as a nonbinary person. Being a minor and financially dependent on them, you will have to accept compromises about your hair and your top surgery. It's also possible that over time these may matter less to you.

    Meanwhile, find like-minded friends and nonbinary role models who inspire you and give you something to look forward to. Surely the nonbinary communities on the Internet can help provide you the kind of support that your parents can't give you (yet) ?
     
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