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    I agree a lot with that. But i have to say that i still have problems dealing with this, i know that porn isnt indicator of sexuality but most of the times i see gay hentai i get some hardness, and it always makes me worry about it again lol.

    But i agree with him a lot OP, porn doesnt mean our sexuality.
     
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    I guess.


    The idea of being submissive is actually a massive turn off for me. With girls, I always fantasize about being the dominant one. Although, it does feel kind of out of character for me. In my everyday life (outside of my sex fantasies), I’d say I can be pretty submissive to other people. I don’t really like that I’m that way though.


    With straight or solo girl porn, I feel super turned on the whole time. When I’m watching gay porn, it feels like my arousal is all over the place. For example, I’ll see two guys kissing and don’t feel anything but then when the focus goes on the dominant guy being pleasured I suddenly feel something but then when I try to focus on whose doing the pleasuring Ill lose arousal again. I thought maybe I was attracted to the dominant guy but when I think about doing things to him, I lose arousal. Seeing two penises also makes me lose arousal and even anal sex. I think it’s because with penetration, I have to fantasize myself into the situation and that turns me off. Sometimes when I start to feel arousal, I sometimes pause the video and try to fantasize about having sex or touching either of the dudes and again I’ll lose arousal. I don’t know what in gay porn could possibly be causing me this type of arousal, but I feel like I’d be lying to myself if I just discounted it completely. I don’t know if this is telling, but it doesn’t even matter what the guys look like in the videos I watch. With straight porn, I definitely need to see a hot girl or at least a girl who I’m sexually attracted to (unless I’m ridiculously horny), but with guys I’ve watched videos with dudes who… I’m pretty sure most people wouldn’t ever wanna even see naked and I still get the same responses.


    Maybe I’m turned on by imagining I’m dominant?. I think my perception of sex is probably distorted from years of watching porn. Anyway, thanks for your replies and I’m sorry for rehashing this thread.
     
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    Look my friend, if seeing penis causes you to lose arousal, the chances are good you are not gay probably not even bi from what you just said. Especially since you said that same-sex fantasies in your imagination cause you to lose arousal. That's the best indicator. I'm gay but I have some attraction to women. I can even fantasize about messing around to a point with a woman, but I cannot even really bring myself to fantasize about full-on PIV sex with a woman and just thinking about it causes me to lose all arousal. Still, I can fantasize a bit about women, so does that make me straight? You said you had no problem fantasizing about women. I have no problems fantasizing about men. We don't need a tarot reading to figure this one out, friend. Porn is a bad indicator...you feel something looking at a dude in porn? What while you were touching yourself. Most guys can get somewhat aroused by anything while they do that. Also most mainstream gay porn features conventionally gorgeous men. Maybe it's more of you want to be him than mess around with him?
     
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    Yeah im very much addicted to porn and im trying to stop it, i always liked hentai so i started reading more hentai than watching videos. Gay hentai sometimes does actually give me some sort of arousal, ive already got hard with it, but whenever i try to fantasize with men, look at naked men, look at only penis, its a turn off. So just bc gay hentai arouses me sometimes should this mean im gay? I dont think so. And i really like transwoman too, they have a penis, but they are woman, so again it doesnt make me gay either. I think that even if you get aroused by gay porn, youre not indeed trying to look for it bc you like it, more bc of a test session, just like me.

    You shouldnt worry much about porn, but in your daily life experiences and your fantasies, like i said, i love fantasizing about cudling with woman, and i do every night when im about to sleep. And it makes me extremely good, yet scenes in gay porn arouses me. But doesnt mean im gay. Thats what i think.
     
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    Mmm, I don't read yaoi much but I have a bit. Yaoi tends to be, in my opinion, full of stereotypes. For example, the passive partner is almost always very,very femme. Femme gay guys and straight guys exist and everyone should express themselves however they want but the majority of what I've read assumes gay bottoms are feminine. So there's that. Trans actresses in porn mostly tend to look like supermodels, unless you're talking amateur porn. If looking at real, naked male bodies does not arouse or causes you to lose arousal the chances you are gay are indeed slim.
     
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    Yeah but i notice that what arouses me in gay hentai is the dialogues, i actually find this kind weird. But if i only look at the drawings it wont be arousing, but the dialogues actually gives me arousal, i dont know if this is a thing but i think its weird lol. About transwoman i feel bad about it bc i know its just bc of porn, so this tends to be a fetish and i feel really bad at it. I used to look at real male bodies everyday testing myself, and fantasizing, i stopped doing this most of the time, it was a turn off lol.
     
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    Nothing in the above remotely points in the direction of your being gay.

    Remember, porn is engineered to be arousing, so in some cases, we'll be aroused without fully understanding what it is about it that's arousing. As has been said ad nausem, porn is a terrible and wildly unreliable tool to assess if one is gay or straight. In your case, all it's doing is confusing you.

    It seems pretty certain that you're straight. If you want to test, then dump the porn and try masturbating without the porn, thinking about guys in one session and girls in the next. That's a much more reliable way, and I think you'll have a clear answer pretty quickly.

    If you have difficulty accepting that you're straight and feel the need to constantly test, that's more in the realm of an anxiety-related disorder, possibly on the OCD spectrum. But neither I nor anyone else on the internet can diagnose that, and this would be something to explore with a therapist.
     
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    I just want to say that i agree with chip, even if i still have this problems, i dont know what arouses me sometimes in gay porn too, like you said is all over the place. I dont even look if the guys is handsome or whatever, i just see the sex, and im never full aroused and hard, but i do get arousal too.

    I would like to know if youre actually wanting to see too or are you searching because you want to know if youre gay. Thats what i do, i dont have any desire to look at gay porn, any sexually urges. I constantly do bc i cant accept that im "straight" and get aroused by gay porn sometimes. So this leads me to test everytime, even if i knoe that porn doesnt mean my sexuality, but to me i always think is bc im gay lol.
     
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    I really appreciate your advice. I tried your test and it always gives me the same result: masturbating while thinking about sex with men doesn't arouse me and masturbating while thinking about sex with girls do. I would venture further and say that thinking about relationships with girls gives me arousal whereas the opposite is true for guys. I can't manage to get an erection fantasizing about guys no matter how hard I seem to try. However, I can't seem to shake this feeling that I'm not fantasizing correctly. Is there a chance that I'm choosing to not be aroused by my male fantasies. That I subconsciously don't want to be gay so I'm purposefully thinking about men in a non-arousing way. Consciously, I feel like I've thought about sex and intimacy with men in every way possible. I've even imagined myself as a girl and imagined intercourse that way; yet, it seems that I can't seem to get aroused. Has being in denial ever caused someone the same issue? Have any gays or bisexuals looked back and thought, I just wasn't fantasizing correctly because they didn't know what sex with the same gender would actually be like?

    After reading some responses, I guess I’m starting to understand why gay porn is a bad indicator. I still don’t understand why I’m anxious when I watch it, or even whether its anxiety or excitement; however, upon further analysis, I realized that it’s probably the sensations that are arousing me. If I see something that looks like it feels good, I vicariously imagine it happening to me and feeling good. I came to this conclusion after I watched gay porn and looked away and then fantasized about it. My arousal went away. With straight porn, my arousal actually increased a lot with this same test. It’s strange because when I watch porn with women, I always imagine having sex with the women. I imagine it’s the same for gay men watching gay porn, but with guys. I’m just curious, do any others watch porn this way? Could, theoretically, a straight guy be aroused by gay porn by imagining the sensations? A gay guy be aroused by straight porn by imagining the sensations of intercourse?
     
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    I work in a science field (computer science—not neuro or psych). I’m thinking that’s why this is so hard for me. I’m used to seeing the world in black or white, it works or it doesn’t and have strong preference for evidence based solutions. To me, gray areas are problems to be fixed.

    For the past few months, I’ve tried desperately to wrap my head around what sexual orientation is. The research out there obviously feels incomplete to me; however, speaking from my own personal experience, sexual orientation feels innate and, in a sense, almost primal. When I’m around girls and find myself close to them or in a could-be intimate situation, I feel aroused by the idea of protecting them or being dominant. It turns me on like crazy when a girl feels she needs me. As cheesy as it sounds, it makes me feel more myself or more who I want to be. The reason I mention all that is because everything else feels kind of conditioned. If I saw a girl’s bare chest, chances are I would be aroused. There are certain cultures out there where women walk around bare chested and I’m pretty sure guys aren’t walking with erections all day. I’ve read certain posts on this forum where men knew they were gay when they got an erection from seeing shirtless guys in public, etc. My own gay brother is a collegiate swimmer and is around half naked guys all day and I’m 100% sure he’s not walking around with an erection. I’m wondering do any gays, lesbians or bisexuals feel similarly? As if their sexual orientation is primal or instinctive rather than something they had to analyze their arousal to visual cues about. If so, I’m wondering, for those who used to be in denial, how were you able to hide something so instinctive from yourself?

    If I truly have OCD, its going to be ultimately hard to for me to accept; however, I guess that’s the nature of the illness. My mom was diagnosed with OCD, but, in her case, a lot of it has to do with a pretty traumatic experience when she was young. I’ll probably need a little more self-discovery before I commit to therapy, but I appreciate the help of everyone on this forum.
     
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    I don't get any sexual urges either. I just feel the need to test. Sometimes when I'm at work, I'll suddenly get a flashing thoughts of something I saw in gay porn that I possibly found arousing, get super anxious and then I'll feel the need to test. I've even purposefully shortened my work day on one occasion, just so I could go home early and test myself.

    When I first started to test to gay porn, I never really touched myself. I would just monitor my arousal to what I was watching. Typically, I wasn't getting aroused at all doing this.

    Nowadays, I touch myself while watching it. When I do this, I kind of rotate between being flaccid and semi-hard depending on what I'm looking at. Once I get that feeling of arousal, I almost try to force myself to orgasm, even if it means looking away or thinking about something else that I know will arouse me. I feel as though I'm purposefully giving myself more confusion over this and I don't know why.
     
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    So... all of the above are indicative of OCD. Those aren't the musings of someone genuinely questioning sexual orientation; they are on the obsessive spectrum.

    But here's the issue: People with OCD literally have hijacked brains. No matter how much rational, sensible, factual knowledge is presented to them, it is never, ever enough to convince them. The analogy I used in another thread was this: It's as though you and I are looking at a field. It's an empty field, but to you, it looks like there's a house on it. You can walk onto the field, right to where the house you see is, and you can clearly tell there's no house there... it's just grass. But you still see the house, and you convince yourself that somehow you're just not in the right place, or the house is further back on the lot, or you're not looking at it right.

    And it doesn't matter how much I tell you that the house isn't there. Even if there were 100 people standing in front of this vacant lot, and all of us are telling you there's no house there, you'll still be convinced there is a house there.

    That's basically what OCD is like. And it's miserable until you treat it, because no amount of logic, discussion, questioning, testing, or anything else will ever convince you because your brain is literally hijacked by an imbalance in your neural pathways. You may need medication, or at the least, therapy to help you manage it.