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Confused about my feelings

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by Braj, May 9, 2021.

  1. QuietPeace

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    Something that I had to learn and which I think might help you. I had to decide that living my own life as who I really am does not harm or hurt anyone no matter how often they may try to gaslight me that it does hurt them. In fact society, family, church forcing me into pretending to be someone who I am not hurt not only me but also everyone involved (a wife and 3 children most but also more distant people like her family and more). All of us were harmed a great deal and we all would have been better off had I not done "what was expected" of me.
     
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    Not just your lives, but if you have children together it will affect them too. I am in the situation right now where not coming out is causing me stress which I think I show to my family and this is unfair. But the fear of telling them at this point is huge for me.

    I understand your difficulty in not upsetting your parents, but it is your future and the future of a potential partner/family to be considered too. I know everyone's situation is unique and different, but if you are in a position where you are questioning your sexuality and have the chance to not take the wrong choice, then try to be honest with everyone if you can.

    I am happy I married my wife and that we have 2 wonderful kids, but I regret not being honest with them. I just wasn't clear in my preferences until more recently.
     
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    So, I can tell you that I took door #2 where I didn't marry, but I didn't come out or allow myself to live as a lesbian either. I'm in my early 40's now. And it's not great either. To give you an idea, when I finally came out to myself even 2 years ago (and just quit lying to myself and just told my friends), I lost 60lbs, was able to get off of blood pressure meds (because that had been sky high), and friends and co-workers told me I looked visibly happier and healthier once I did that (and I'm not even fully out or dating properly yet because covid). Being closeted was killing me. I think kind of literally. It was ruining my physical and mental health.

    I'm in therapy now and was told my anxiety is a direct result of being closeted. Because I spent all those years terrified of someone finding out. I have all of these quirks that are annoying as a direct result of that. Meanwhile, I'm in my 40's and am just now facing the idea of dating, sex, and relationships (with feels pathetic and brings its own anxiety since most people do that much younger). I'm facing a much diminished dating pool because I waited so long. I spent over half my life alone because I waited so long. The idea of having children is no longer appealing because I waited so long. If I had come out 25 years ago, I might could have had a family and a life with a partner (a lesbian partner). Which, ironically, my parents like to complain on the regular about me being alone.

    Meanwhile, I'm having to work to not resent my parents for holding me back from living my life (when they didn't know they were doing it overtly). My religious faith is shattered (because I'm realizing they were full of crap). AND I still have to come out to my parents (doing it in a few weeks). It's unlikely that their reaction will have improved by delaying it. I've just gotten to live in dread and to be mad at them every time they say or do something homophobic. So, I'm effectively like that 12 year old child that got themselves grounded and caused all this misery because they didn't want to clean their room and still wound up having to do it eventually. It didn't make the room easier to clean by stalling. It just caused more misery and the room still had to be dealt with.

    Sooner or later you're going to wind up wanting or needing to tell your parents. Meanwhile, you're not allowing yourself to learn to live as a gay man, you're not allowing yourself to find your community, and you're not allowing yourself to be in the kind of romantic relationships that have a shred of hope of being authentic and fulfilling. And you may be giving up your opportunity to pursue starting your own family in your youth and in a healthy way (with a partner that you actually can love and want to be with). You're not giving your parents time to either learn to accept you or not. And if they're not going to learn to accept you, you're not letting yourself begin to heal from that. And if they are going to accept you, you're not giving yourself that relief.

    It's certainly your life to do with as you will. But, as someone who didn't attempt a "fake it 'til you make it" marriage but did stay closeted way too freaking long, I can tell it you it still came at a steep price that I'm still dealing with. And it didn't improve my siutation. I still may lose my parents in 3 week. But I face that AND I wasted decades of my life for them to still not be happy.
     
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    Thanks @QuietPeace , @SteveBi45 and @Unsure77 for sharing your experiences. I realize that it is going to affect a lot more than two. After spending a few weeks here I am sensing more courage to accept what I had always known. I am sure things will mess up if I marry unwillingly. I will deprive her of the happiness she deserves. I will be stressed hiding the truth. I loose the peace of my mind if I hide anything, that I know from some past incidents. Thank you all for your support.

    I also sometimes think of taking door #2 and not marry, but then see that living alone is also not healthy. It is bad that you had to be in stress and it ruined your health. Best wishes to you that you overcome this stress now that you have started therapy and planning to come out to your parents.

    Yeah... that's so true. Thank you.
     
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    Hello, Braj. I can't tell you what your sexuality is. I just wanted to say that reading your story really resonated within me, I feel as if I am in a very similar place as you are. I am a 24 year old guy trying to figure out my sexuality. I find men sexually attractive, but I don't feel like wanting a long term romantic relationship with a man. I can notice a beautiful woman, but rarely find them sexually attractive, though I can't say never. But I feel like I would enjoy being in a romantic relationship with a woman, and if there's an emotional connection present, I could feel sexual attraction. I believe that's what demisexuality is.

    Also, just like you said about yourself, I do have social anxiety too. What you said about possibility of anxiety discouraging you from forming relationships with women felt very familliar. It does make sense and from my own experience I would suspect it can be true.

    I also share the fears that you have about marriage and upsetting loved ones. I've given some thought about it and concluded that if I ever marry a woman, I want her to know everything about me and my sexuality before marriage. Commited relationships must be transparent in order to work and to leave no room for surprising upsets. But if I decide to come out as a gay or mostly gay man, my parents might get upset. In such scenario we must realize that it's not our fault for being the way we are. It's not our fault if our parents get upset about us not living up to their expectations. Maybe it's their fault for having such expectations and implicitly enforcing us to live by them. Hence we all must face reality and to accept it whatever it is. If our parents can't accept it then it's not our fault.

    But the good thing about us is that we are trying to find out the answer to this question no matter how difficult it is. In the end it will be all worth it. As for now, for me personally it's best to label myself as "questioning" and being open to any possibility. I think I still can come out as "questioning" and it's more honest with people than being fully in closet. Later on I might clarify on my sexuality.

    I know I spoke a lot about myself here, but maybe you will find something relatable to you as I did while reading your story.
     
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    understandable. You are in India, right? My guess is it would be a lot harder there than say, a country in Europe - though family situations can be tough anywhere depending on the culture, religion, and personal views of family members.
     
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    Hi @ManlyUnicorn ! Welcome to Empty Closets! I read your post and yeah our stories and thoughts are quite similar. I picked following from your post -
    One thing I would like to say here that our mind can play tricks. It can make an image which agrees with the general belief using the facts which support that image and ignoring the ones which don't. We have to do a more critical thinking to see the real image. There had been some changes and clarity in my thoughts since I started reading posts here on EC and started posting my thoughts assertively. I would like to share my thought process regarding this. These thoughts that I don't want a long term relationship have appeared only recently, when my parents asked me to marry and I now have to confront the truth. My mind went into rejecting that I might be gay and finding proofs for it so that I can evade the fear of coming out. Because if I recall from a few years back, there were a few guys with whom I would have spent full life... actually I wanted to, with one of them in particular. I cared for him so much and I used to do stupid things just to get his attention, but I knew he wasn't gay so I still maintained our boundaries. We used to share a room for some time and when he left I kind of felt heartbroken. Now there had been a few girls too who were very good friends and I wished to be with them the whole life minus the sex part even after knowing them for years. These are just my thoughts. Everyone thinks differently.

    Here also a different perspective has emerged for me recently. The anxiety may be because of not liking girls in the way other boys do and I am anxious about how things may unfold. Like being a socially anxious person, I am nervous to talk to both boys and girls and common thoughts like whether they will like me or not, will I make a good impression, am I presentable, what if I make a joke out of myself. But amidst these, there is a thought while meeting a girl, 'what if she likes me and want to take things forward? what am I gonna do then?' And with boys it is the fear that I would have to come out of my secret which prevails among other thoughts of general anxiety. So, for me, even though I am not able to form a relationship with a either girl or a boy because of anxiety, the thought process seems different. Again, these are just my thoughts.

    I agree that there should be a transparency in the relationship to avoid the relationship to doom later when things surface. I too don't want to hide anything and in general I am not very good at it and hiding things make me stressed. Things were a little more difficult for me because of the arranged marriage scenario (very common and typical in India) where we don't get much time to know each other. Without the other person knowing you very well it is difficult for them to understand. Still, with whom I felt some connection I pulled the strength to convey my situation and whatever was supposed to happen did happen - no further communications. But then I realized who am I kidding? I don't want this. Just in an attempt for social acceptance, I was looking for a marriage of convenience and I feel very bad that I am such a coward and a bad person to play with other's feelings.

    That's some good points there. Like it :slight_smile:
     
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    Yes, I am in India and as you guessed correctly, from a society perspective it can be harder here.
     
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    Hello @Braj. I just spent half-hour reading all the posts in this thread. You've received wonderful comments and advice in this thread. I just wanted to jump in and say that we live in a hetero-normative society. It's harsh, and it's sad, but it's reality. I'm an Indian who grew up in the same cultural orthodoxy that is the common Indian Society.

    We love our parents and we don't want to do anything that makes them unhappy or goes against society, that is "normal" for us, we've grown up that way, conforming to society and being obedient. But at some point, we have to stop and think of our happiness and our feelings. I learnt that the hard way, I went through stuff, took hard decisions and steps. It will not be easy. But the first step is to accept yourself. You're already a great guy when you said that you don't want to ruin a girl's life by getting married to her, or something along those lines.

    Porn isn't a great indicator of sexual preference or gender. So I wouldn't read much into it. Trust me, I know that in India because of the limited access to meet guys and date them, or even girls, we turn to Porn and rely on it, mostly. But I'd encourage you to get onto dating apps, to find forums online for Indians and try to meet guys and see what happens. Experience it. It will be tough, 9 out of 10 guys might not be genuine, but you may find some amazing people and might find yourself truly.

    Message me anytime you want. I totally understand what you're going through. Take care. :slight_smile:
     
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    Hi @Ram90! Thanks for your comments and understanding. I can understand what you might have gone through.

    Porn came into my life much later and I knew for years before that I liked men. I watched porn only to satisfy my desires, just so you said.

    Recently, I did go back to some dating sites but as you might already know, it turns out most people there are only for hookups. When they say friendship, that also means a long term partnership for hookups. I was actually hoping to meet someone, talk to them and know them from a dating perspective, but everyone starts talking about instant hookup. I want a connection before we can proceed to physical intimacy and that is why I earlier stopped using these apps. I still thought, let me give it a try again, but got anxious whenever someone showed interest in me and blocked them. I thought how can someone be interested in me. I am not good looking and neither experienced. I turned down everyone! I am hesitant to approach anyone who looks good or seems confident. Sometime later, I finally met someone. The experience was not discouraging (though I didn't like everything). I got excited and aroused even though I was nervous alongside. But, I found myself pleasing him with a constant consciousness of not disappointing him. I was also conscious about him pleasing me as though I didn't want to be vulnerable. I kind of didn't let myself freely enjoy it. I don't know why? I was continuously hoping it to end soon. But I liked all the talking we did afterwards. I have now got so conscious about it that I refused to meet him again and not able to proceed beyond some texting with anyone else either. So I know that I have this vulnerability issue and I am trying to figure out how to resolve this. Also trying to find someone with similar interests as me on dating sites.

    And I am hugely worried about how to tell my mother.