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I just don't like condoms

Discussion in 'Physical & Sexual Health' started by Jared J, May 11, 2021.

  1. Jared J

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    It just doesn't appeal to me that my partners use condoms with me. I know that it's way way way safer if my partner uses them but I never insist nor have I ever told a guy to pull out. Luckily I've only been with a few guys and always had ongoing and (as far as I know) monogamous sexual relationships. It seems that every time after I sleep with a new guy I worry about catching something until a few weeks later when I finally get myself tested. Luckily nothing bad has happened but I worry so much. It's a mental toll. The silver lining is the sex is great. Any thoughts?
     
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    Like you said, you're taking a huge risk every time you have unprotected sex. It's great that you are getting tested, although you don't really know if the other men are as well.

    It's a sad fact that not every body in this world is good and tells the truth. Even if you're asking, people can lie and say they got tested/don't have STIs. Regardless of if your monogamous sexual relationship is 5 months or 10 years, people cheat. You can be as faithful and loyal as you want- your partner screws around and you get screwed.

    Do you know why you don't like them? More of a mental thing or physical sensation?
     
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    Well there are a few reasons I don't use them. My first ever partner and I had sex when I was 19 and he was in his 40s. I had a few drinks and was a bit loose on my judgment and we did bareback. Of course he came in me. The sex was great but I did stress out for the next few weeks until getting tested at the university clinic. He smooth talked me into "since we are already bonded by fluids, we may as well continue". The sex was great and after the initial worry I did feel better. We broke up when I graduated.

    My next partner again was older. He just couldn't stay hard with a condom on. It kind of bothered me as I was on a soup diet in preparation for sex with him. Eventually after feeling rejected I finally just told him to forgo the condom.

    I like carrying my partners sperm in me its more intimate, its also nice when his erections harder.
     
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    You are playing "Russian Roulette", is how it feels worth dying for? Or worth being put on expensive toxic drugs to keep you alive for the entire rest of your life?
     
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    I snipped out this quote from your original post and highlighted some of your own words because they are really significant. Yes, you have been lucky, because you allowed older men to talk you into having unprotected sex with some of the oldest excuses in the book and it's only as far as you know they have been monogamous. I hate to break it to you, but it's more likely they were not monogamous. The type of guy you are describing here is not the monogamous kind - trust me!

    You know how risky this is. Why else would you experience episodes of anxiety and stress as you await test results? Is it worth it - really?

    Every time you allow a guy to shoot his load inside you, you are taking a huge risk. Life isn't a porn movie that stops rolling when the deed is done. We are dealing with real time, real life consequences and crappy excuses and silly ideas don't cut it anymore once we become infected with HIV or any of the other STI's.

    The condoms that are available now are so much better than what we had 20 years ago and they are getting better all the time. Used with plenty of lube and you should hardly notice a difference. You shouldn't even want to notice a difference.

    If you are determined not to use condoms at least get yourself on PrEP, but be aware that PrEP is not a magic bullet. In view of what you have already told us I think you should be on PrEP and using condoms actually.
     
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    OK, this is one of those places where it is near impossible for me to be nonjudgmental.

    Your first 40something partner was a manipulative piece of shit. This is the sort of self-centered asshole who needs to be shot. I personally know of a guy in SF who did the same sort of thing... was in his late 30s, manipulated a ton of guys who were in their later teens to bottom for him without condoms. He was HIV+ and infected dozens of people. He regularly moved to stay ahead of authorities (what he was doing is a felony.) He eventually got caught. But many do not.

    And now, quite honestly, it's not a matter of "if" for you, but "when." Anyone willing to bareback is someone who has barebacked with other people. Anyone who *asks* you to bareback is someone who never uses condoms, and most likely is promiscuous. And those are the folks you get HIV from. It's going to happen.

    The problem is, because it is now "treatable", people think it's not a big deal. If you lived through the era where people in their 20s were attending a dozen funerals every week where their friends that they were hanging out and having fun with two weeks ago were now dead. I strongly recommend watching "Pose" to get a real-life sense of what this was like. Hundreds of thousands died because, back then, people didn't know what the cause or how it was transmitted. Now we know, and people are too fucking selfish to take care of themselves or others. So all the folks that came before, and gave their lives... that's all for naught.

    The death toll is smaller now, but nonetheless, I do not know a single person who is now HIV+ who doesn't wish they had listened when folks told them how stupid and foolish and selfish they were being. Not one. ALL of them wish they had listened. But they can't fix it now. They are stuck for life. With doctor visits every month or two. Constant adjustments to their medication. Constant blood tests. Days they don't feel so great. All because they were too fucking lazy and selfish to use a condom.

    There. Is. No. Excuse. Not. To. Use. A. Condom. Every. Single. Time.

    This is entirely a mindset. There are many types of condoms that are so thin you cannot even tell they are there. If you have a partner who insists on using one, that's someone who (1) doesn't give a fuck about his own health, and (2) doesn't give a fuck about your health, safety and well being. All he gives a shit about is getting his own jollies off.

    I'm sorry, but I have nothing but contempt for assholes like that.

    Edit: It's been pointed out to me that some folks might assume I'm being literal when I suggest that someone should be shot. Of course I'm not. A better metaphor might be that folks like that deserve to be struck by lightning, or to have a hole open up in the earth and they fall through it. Violence in any form is never the answer.
     
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    Totally agree with Patrick and Chip.

    But I’m going to go in a direction they didn’t mention: FC2 condoms. It is a condom for the receptive partner. Guys who don’t stay hard with the condom on their penis don’t have the same issue with FC2.

    The manufacturer’s website sells them direct. Not as cheap as “regular” condoms (FC2 comes out to be about $2 each when you buy a supply). You can avoid the cost by going to a clinic, where they hand out varieties (including the internal condom) because they know it is good for public health. I once attended a house of worship where free condoms (including a couple internal ones) were available in the bathrooms.
     
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    I actually haven't had sex with a man in over 2 years. Prior to that though I was on prep with my boyfriend.
     
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    Prep is better than nothing but
    (a) the manufacturer makes it clear that it is intended to be used with condoms, not as a replacement, and
    (b) it is terrible for your liver and is not safe in the long term.

    If one is absolutely, constitutionally incapable of being able to use a condom to keep themslves and their partner healthy, or so focused on their own pleasure that that's all that matters, then I guess PrEP is an option. But it's just a different trade off. HIV is the cost that comes with barebacking; severe, potentially fatal liver disease is the cost that comes with using PrEP over a long period.

    By the way, while we are on the topic: People do this "Oh, we're a committed couple, and we're going to be faithful to each other, so we can go without the condoms." Guess what? An enormous percentage of new HIV infections come from "committed couples" who were absolutely certain that the other person would be faithful. I personally know someone who became HIV+ at 19, with his first boyfriend, because he foolishly believed his boyfriend was trustworthy. The boyfriend never told my friend he was cheating, and the boyfriend did not even know he was HIV+ until my friend got routine blood work, found he was HIV+, and knew his only sexual partner was his "faithful" boyfriend.

    So what I always say is that condoms don't say "I don't trust you" or "I don't love you." They instead say "I love and care about you enough to want to make sure you are always healthy, and to stay healthy for you. And this way, if one of us does something stupid at some point and we aren't ready to tell the other, we are still safe for each other." That is real, genuine love and caring for one another, not some bullshit of "if you really loved me, you wouldn't need a condom."
     
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    Oh you are r
    I'm not disagreeing with you. Sometimes I need to be told I am doing the wrong thingm
    You aren't entirely wrong. I'm partially to blame as I could say no and I thank you for giving me a hard time about condom usage to set me straight. However going back to him: he did manipulate me into having sex with him in the first place. I mean I was quite intoxicated the first time and my judgment wasn't exactly 100%. That was clearly his intention. The cocky guy thought he was funny: "Was I a pain in your ass? Haha". He kept me around by eventually getting me to move in and be his boytoy in exchange for a free place to live. After him, I moved back to my hometown and sterted
     
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    Ugh. I fucking HATE manipulative assholes like that, and while, as someone pointed out, I would not literally like to see people like that shot, I *would* like to see them arrested and spend about 10 years in jail. What happened to you the first time was rape. If you were intoxicated, you were not capable of giving consent. He knew this. So he's not only a piece of shit, he's a rapist. And probably a serial rapist. Definitely a horrible human being.
     
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    Well said!

    Nope... they should be shot! End of, for putting others at risk.
     
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    Well said!
     
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    Original poster here. I got cut off by a phone call during my last post... another point I wanted to bring up is that I am bisexual and submissive with both genders in the bedroom. Therefore I do sway towards more "asshole-ish" guys and women who are domineering. My first guy, the one nobody seems to like knew this. After he and I broke up I dated a girl my own age, we were both 22 and she tagged me in a facebook post. Of course he saw this and figured out who she was and that she was probably dominant of me. He messaged her saying I'm gay and that he should come over and have sex with her and make me watch. She absolutely considered it and asked if I'd be a cuckold. I said no. That's the kind of people I attract though.
     
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    So this is an important piece, and one question to ask yourself is, "Is this what you really want for yourself?" Do you want to be submissive and live your live in a way where everyone takes advantage of you, dominates, you, controls you? That may sound like a loaded question, but it is not... there are some who genuinely seem to want that. And if that's the case, and you're completely happy with that, then there's nothing to change.

    Most folks, however, don't want that, and are simply resigned to it because they believe they have no other choice and can't change. And that isn't remotely true. You behave this way because of experiences in your family-of-origin that taught you that this was how you needed to behave in order to survive. If you want to change that, you can. And I suspect that if you do choose to work on changing that, you may find yourself a lot happier, because your relationships will be built on the mutual fulfillment of both of your needs.

    If this is something that sounds appealing to you, there are some resources and suggestions I can offer. But again, if you are genuinely happy with where you are, that's absolutely a reasonable choice as well.
     
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    Ouch. I do understand where you are coming from. I have found myself in a similar situation. It is possible to work through this as Chip says. If you keep this pattern up it can lead to serious harm to you.

    This is a very good start. I hope that you can keep it up.
     
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    Following up: I finally got back on the saddle and had a date with a guy I've had a crush on for a while. We went for a walk with coffee and I invited him back to my place. There was an awkward silence so I excused myself, got a condom, came back and kissed him showing him the condom. Iead him back to the bedroom and he used it. I feel way better this morning than I do most days after meeting someone new
     
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    That's a great and positive step for you. I'd encourage you to think about the questions I asked above, and gain an understanding in what you want, in the long term, and if changes are necessary, you may want to spend some time working on yourself before getting yourself into a relationship. If you decide there's value for you in working on the issues you've described, it will be hard to do that if you are in a relationship, as it will likely influence how you "show up" for others.

    One other piece: There is absolutely nothing wrong with meeting someone and hooking up with them on a first date, or, for that matter, meeting someone solely for sex. However, what's important in these situations is what your intent is in doing so. If you see yourself primarily as a sexual object, and that you feel an obligation or expectation that you should have sex the first time you meet someone... then that tends to imply that you see that your primary or only value is as a sex object... that the only reason people would be with you is for sex. And if that's the underlying belief, I would suggest that this is not a healthy self-perecption, as you are much more than that.

    These are bigger questions that might be worth considering. I'm not offering any particular actions, nor am I suggesting you need to come to any particular conclusion, only that these might be issues you want to think about.
     
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    This is a bit disappointing. While I totally agree op has been a bit reckless with his previous sexual encounters, I think this tone regarding prep is as well. First off, condoms aren’t as effective as prep even when used appropriately... not even close. Also their are times condoms fail. They break, your partner damages them on purpose or removes them (has happened to me twice), etc. I am taking prep as a way to know I am doing everything I can to stay healthy... doesn’t mean I don’t use condoms, doesn’t mean we I am not concerned about my health or the health of others... it means the opposite. I’m not gonna stop using condoms for causal sexual situations. I keep them with me at all times to be safe. If the time comes I decide to not use a condom because of the type of relationship I’m in... I’ll still be on prep to be safe for me.
     
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    I agree. While well meant, its not statistically correct that prep isn't effective, it absolutely is, though I agree its tough on the liver. I just wish I wasn't so turned on by being bred in the first place, though safe sex has its pluses which I am trying to enjoy.